Metal: good! Prog Metal: Blagh!

I like some artists classified as progressive metal, but I generally find that scene to have a worse signal-to-noise ratio than straight-up progressive rock or metal. A lot of prog metal groups just feel like outsider approximations of one of their parent genres, and when listening to band like Edge of Sanity or especially Opeth I just don't find their song structures anywhere as well put together as the 70s prog rock groups they're influenced by.

On the other hand, there are groups like Voivod who manage to take that kind of "outside perspective" on their inspirations and actually make it work to their favour. I'm not sure how they manage to pull it off, but somehow they do. Maybe it's because Voivod have a more "deconstructionist" approach to music composition than those other two groups, and coming from more of an eccentric punk background in the vein of Killing Joke and Die Kreuzen they're outsiders to both metal and prog?

Then again, by the token of the premise I threw out earlier that'd mean they'd screw up even worse.

I like both.
Both have bands I dislike, obviously.

For instance I dislike death metal but I do like Death (Chuck's band). I also like a little bit of melodic death like early Arch Enemy (the albums with the male vocals), Insomnium and Be'Lakor and even some Carcass (but definitely NOT their grind period), some Amorphis (but not their early stuff).  I also like Gojira.

Never liked black metal, but I do sometimes listen to Agalloch (2 albums though The Mantle and Ashes against the Grain), Negura Bunget - Om and Dordeduh (their only album so far Dardeduh, hopefully their make some new music because they are really good)

i dislike everything -core and also nu-metal.
Not sure what Deftones, RATM are, but I do like them.

There's a ton of uninspired, predictable progressive metal out there as well.




Edited by Cristi - December 05 2015 at 04:43

Sean Trane wrote:   And still find Manowar totally laughable

Edited by Stooge - June 29 2011 at 15:20

Proggy Pogo wrote: Metal ... great! Prog metal ... even better!

Triceratopsoil wrote: dr prog wrote: I hate all metal. I find it over the top non melodic image music. It's not even heavy really. Heavy music is meant to put a shiver down your spine with the sound and melody. But metal is embarrassing with it's 'try to be scary' image. I like heavy rock music such Black Sabbath. But I don't like their 2 heaviest songs Symptom of the universe and Sabbath bloody. They have a w**k factor I don't think more metal is made with the intention of seeming scary.  That's a silly misconception.

He's not totally off base though.  Sabbath were inspired by horror movies and they wanted to make the musical equivalent of horror movies.  Fortunately, they remembered to put the tongue-in-the-cheek. That aside, yes, not all metal bands want to scare and in fact there are a lot many who don't but the stereotype has stuck.


Edited by rogerthat - June 25 2011 at 22:31

Triceratopsoil wrote: For one thing, growling vocals belong only to a portion of metal.  Beyond that, there's no arguing with people harboring preconceptions.

Edited by dr prog - June 25 2011 at 20:25

Triceratopsoil wrote: dr prog wrote: I hate all metal. I find it over the top non melodic image music. It's not even heavy really. Heavy music is meant to put a shiver down your spine with the sound and melody. But metal is embarrassing with it's 'try to be scary' image. I like heavy rock music such Black Sabbath. But I don't like their 2 heaviest songs Symptom of the universe and Sabbath bloody. They have a w**k factor I don't think more metal is made with the intention of seeming scary.  That's a silly misconception.

I hate all metal. I find it over the top non melodic image music.

lucas wrote: so according to the opener, there is prog metal on one hand and metal on the other hand. But what is this other metal : because I don't see a lot of similarities between glam metal and black metal.

rogerthat wrote: lucas wrote: so according to the opener, there is prog metal on one hand and metal on the other hand. But what is this other metal : because I don't see a lot of similarities between glam metal and black metal. Oh, metalheads don't like glam either.  Ok, sometimes they like stupid bands like Dokken and Skid Row and still manage to bash Dream Theater but that's a particular kind of metalheads who are woefully uninformed about rock and who usually got initiated through Slipknot or Linkin Park and not classic rock.

Skid Row are great, they even managed to combine their glam with thrash metal on 'slave to the grind', and I know that fans of the most extreme metal respect them.