Metal: good! Prog Metal: Blagh!
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Topic: Metal: good! Prog Metal: Blagh!
Posted By: desistindo
Subject: Metal: good! Prog Metal: Blagh!
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 14:29
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Id like to know if there is much people here like me: like metal but dont like prog metal. Let´s see.  |
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Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 14:32
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Metal ... great! Prog metal ... even better! ------------- 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 14:35
| I like loads of metal that is progressive but in general not what people call prog metal. |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 14:35
| Both, with a slight preference for Prog Metal! |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 14:44
| First I thought- neither. But then I realised that Ayreon and Pain of Salvation is classified as prog metal and I quite like them. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 14:46
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I don't understand how you could like metal but totally dislike an entire genre of loosely connected bands who play under the umbrella called metal. I like both. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 14:47
| Why don't you like prog metal if you like prog and metal ? |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:01
You rendered my intended post useless. Yeap. |
Triceratopsoil wrote:Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:22
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Prog metal mostly....which grew from my love of what I will call classic metal like Judas Priest, Scorpions, Iron Maiden and a slew of others. -------------   
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:23
Basically. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:25
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There are few straight metal bands I like. While prog-metal isnt my favorite it can be quite excellent. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:34
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Neither one. Prog metal is really cheesy most of the time, and regular metal just bores me. There are exceptions to both, but I'm going with my general attitude. ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:36
brohoofs? |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:47
+1, and that Rhapsody banner totally makes me cringe |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 15:52
Basically cause i like metal bands that got a bit of prog direction, but not intrinsically prog. Sabbath is a good example of it. |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:08
Pain of salvation prog metal?! Oh come on, so Korn is Prog Metal too  |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:28
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:30
inb4 PoS fan sh*tstorm |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:34
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I like some bands labelled prog metal (DT, Fates Warning, Cynic among them), but sometimes "prog metal" is more straightforward than the name implies. There are other metal genres I enjoy exploring greater than prog metal. ------------- A fun place to review and discuss metal: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - MetalMusicArchives |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:42
I used to like prog and metal but prog metal took a long, long time to grow on me. The reason was that I liked prog for its sophistication, complexity, and wide range of moods and atmospheres it could evoke, whereas I went to metal for balls-to-the-walls aggression and raw power, so I tended to see prog metal as an uncomfortable compromise - too hard and heavy to be especially satisfying prog, too sophisticated and sappy to be really A-grade metal. I've since come to like prog metal on its own terms, but it's for reasons different from the reasons I enjoy prog on the one hand and metal on the other, so I can totally see why someone could just not like prog metal if they find that it a) doesn't deliver what prog offers to them, b) doesn't scratch the itch that metal scratches, and c) doesn't offer to them its own unique satisfaction that other genres can't provide.
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:44
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Both!
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:50
| I like Metal more. I can't get into progressive metal, wether it is due to lack of good bands or my lack of interest for the genre. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 16:53
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Both. Easy.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 17:05
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I like old school metal but not much modern metal. The modern metal that I do seem to enjoy is of the traditional DT progressive variety. Not much love for growling or shrieking on my end though. ------------- 
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 17:41
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 17:48
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Prog metal it's a subgenre of metal. I like a lot of subgrenes of metal, but I think a lot are terrible too. Prog Metal works my brain and power metal brings me melodies I can sing along to. And both get me pumped if I need to workout or game or something. Most everything else though is scatter shot. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 17:50
Bringing PoS fan sh*tstorm If you're trolling desistindo, 2/10 I replied. If you're not, holy sh*t return your ears to God. They're defective. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 19:27
LOL, stonie thinks he's @ /v/. -------------   
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 19:29
/mu/ brah. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 20:40
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Both. PoS not prog metal? What on Earth would be then!? OP: Do you like prog rock? If so....you honestly are telling me you like prog and metal but not prog metal?  |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 21:36
Rhapsody is power metal to the max. I don't know how on earth they made it into the archives also: "he doesn't have an ad blocker"  ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 22:41
This has been a fairly common position on PA for quite a while now. Personally, I don't have much taste for any metal, with a few exceptions, so neither for me.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 22:47
protip: it was /v/ who started this gay rating thing. And I totally agree with Brian. Who thinks POS isn't metal should listen to their earlier albums. Hell, Scarsick is pretty metal and even Road Salt is metal, if you compare it to 70's metal (which was the inspiration to the album anyway). -------------
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:03
If you're not clicking them, it doesn't matter anyway. If you are, then you're truly one of a kind ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:07
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:11
I'm not reading all that. Morals are for the weak anyway Also my ad blocker loads the ads and then hides them
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:15
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I don't understand how you can like metal but not like a form of metal which isn't even properly defined. What do you mean by prog-metal? Like Dream Theater?
I like both. ------------- 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:16
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Oh yeah, I know most people say Scarsick is terrible because they like to go with what they hear without listening/dont quite get it...but it IS prog metal. But I assume that was trolling anyway, no one with a brain would have PoS and Korn related in any possible way Edit: OH! Henry that may be the case but...what does it matter? So what if it's a new trend? Still makes no sense. "I like Rush. I Metallica. Dream Theater? Oh no way I hate prog metal" |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:23
Probably, but I hate /v/. At least /mu/ shares and cares. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:27
Well maybe not for the Rush fans ;-), but I can understand people not enjoying a lot of straight prog metal. It ups the cheesiness factor considerably from a lot of prog and straight metal.
You didn't have to.
Fine, but don't call me an idiot.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:30
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Oh cheesiness? Please, any fan of any metal needs to accept the genre is cheesy and silly. Things are so much better. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:42
By cheesiness is meant horrible synths and vocal tendencies that sometimes take more after Mariah Carey than Ronnie James Dio. I agree that metal per se can be cheesy and over the top but I'd also agree with those who say something like Exodus is so over the top it's hilarious and fun but I don't find prog metal cheesiness that much fun because they are trying so hard to be dead serious and intellectual. No prejudice here by the way, I like ACT a lot so I am pretty consistent that way.
Anyway, on topic, I like a lot of 'straight-up' metal and some prog metal. I don't generally find the subtlety of great prog rock in prog metal, the latter's complexity/technicality is all in your face and blatant. I want to be lulled into deception and led onto the technicalities...but prog metal's Mr.Obvious approach negates such an element of discovery. Still, stuff like Moore-era Dream Theater or Pain of Salvation can be really good, even great.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 22 2011 at 23:52
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Well depends how you look at it. I've heard that "oh god (insert prog metal band) is soooo cheesy I cant even listen to them" but then they go to listen to thrash/death/black/traditional metal. It's all pretty ridiculous. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 00:03
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I find that pretty understandable, even if not logical, perhaps. Synth is the sworn enemy of hard rock/heavy metal fans, so it's not surprising at all to me that they'd dislike archetypal prog metal. People generally like metal more for the energy and aggression and not so much for great composition (even if they might claim that is the case). Compare Iron Maiden's performance of Hallowed...in the famous Hammersmith 1982 show with Dream Theater's of the same song and you can see the latter feels a lot more calculated and lot less energetic. Ok, maybe you don't see it that way, but even I do and a lot of people who like 'pure' metal more would too.Yeah, sure, Adrian Smith can't do the things Petrucci can but a lot of people don't care about that so much. It is not even why I listen to prog rock, let alone metal. I love Fripp's compositional facility and imagination, I don't care how technically amazing or not he is and who all can play better. As somebody else said on this thread , there's nothing particularly unique in that sense about what a lot of prog metal offers. It's a kind of smart-metal niche but a) I don't necessarily think it's that much smarter all the time and b) if I like dumb metal as it is, I don't particularly need the smart-niche.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 00:07
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I love synthesizers. -------------
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 00:12
But you are only speaking for yourself and it doesn't make the general tendency hard to believe. It should not be hard to believe especially if Queen used to proudly claim at a certain point in their career that they had no synthesizers. Speaking for MYSELF, I like synths but I don't like the tones Rudess, for one, uses at all and a lot of other prog metal keyboardists use similar tones. Basically that COB like synth-guitar effect. ACT use it to create an interesting chordal layer that somehow does not obstruct the metal riffage in their songs and I love that.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 00:18
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Oh yeah, this is of course all my opinion. I used to be a straight up metal head. If it had a moment of not heavy I tossed it to the side. Metal synths would sicken me. I do get it, metal is supposed to pummel and beat you. There's prog rock for for the "artsy" stuff. Thankfully I realized such separation was silly and the best metal was often that which could pummel you and take some more attentive listening! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 00:31
But I don't even have to listen very attentively...for what, in any case? I would not have to pay much attention to the music to know the musicians are very accomplished but the aspects I am more interested in are usually conspicuous by their absence.The way prog metal bands pace their songs for instance is unimaginative and does not achieve much in terms of building drama. Prog metal is also very closely tied into the styles of metal genres so even the scene is set beforehand. So there is not much transformation of the soundscape, it is essentially heavy, heavy and more of heavy. Leaving metal aside, without these things, I would not be very interested in much ambitious music of lengths running into 15 minutes thereabouts. At least the stuff that's composed, improvisation is a different kettle of fish. I don't know if that's what people who like complex music generally feel but certainly the fact that it's complex is not reason enough for me to pay attention to it. I'd readily grant that there are some prog rock bands who don't achieve this very well too and yes, I am not much interested in them either...only in the ones that do.
And there was artsy metal long before what is known as prog metal came into being - Black Sabbath's string of albums from Vol 4 to Sabotage. You had Iommi criss-crossing genres adventurously, you had Wakeman contributing synths and it was a whole lot of fun and at the same time a lot more menacing than DT have ever been, at least in my reading. So, there is a way to mix the art with metal, I did not say there SHOULD be a separation. But for that, metal musicians will have to start letting go of 80s tonality. It is just one humungous gigantic layer of homogenous heaviness (however appealing the sound of a bone crushing 80s metal riff may be), coming in the way of contrast and differentiation. By the way, even King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Genesis from time to time found ways of accomodating metal as it was then into prog. But their scope was vast and wide and they wisely did not restrict themselves to metal, it was just one of many diverse influences they blended in ways uniquely their own.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 02:37
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I am neither a fan nor a hater. In general I prefer Prog Metal as long as it does not come too close to death metal (that's why I don't tend to explore Tech/Extreme Prog Metal MP3 samples on PA).
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 04:32
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For me it's kind of hard to explain. I mentioned in a previous post that the music that I love comes from a music category term that was around before prog and metal were general categories - that term was "underground music".
Yes, Genesis, Black Sabbath, Budgie, Gravy Train, ELP etc were all to be found in the record shops in the "Underground" section.
Today Dream Theater and Pain of Salvation are bands that are "underground" bands, to my mind, and not metal bands although they do encorporate a lot of metal elements in their music.
I remember that later in the record shops I could find a popular section, an underground section and then along came a metal section which housed the forerunners of the thrash scene.
Underground as a term was dropped and relating to category Rock, Metal, Popular became the categories of note.
I don't believe that Dream Theater, POS, Queensryche are metal bands and in my own head I keep them lumped under progressive rock.
I loved Black Sabbath, Budgie, Uriah Heep but I could never handle and hated bands like Guns n Roses, Metallica, Motley Crue etc. Truth be told I always felt that the Dream Theaters, Rush's, POS's fitted more with the old Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, Yes, Genesis mould than they do with Metal especially if I look at a lot of metal music out there which I really don't like at all (especially the grunting, groaning, harsh vocal type unless that is done in limitation as an extention of the music and mood.) ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 04:42
You should still listen to such samples occasionally. Think about any style of music which at first you didn't like and then grew to love, and then think about whether it would have been better if you had refrained from giving it a second (third, fourth etc) chance. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: AbrahamSapien
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 04:46
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Prog metal ... I was never really atracted by most other stuff even though I tried. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 05:08
I tried
 . I got hold of the whole Opeth discography and a few others and I just don't like the Death Metal scene at all - prog or no.  ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 09:50
Totally agree. For me, prog metal is a medium between sophistication and aggression, so if id like to listen sophistication i go to symphonic prog, where the excellence in this range is, if id like agression and energy i go to traditional metal, where the excellence in this range is. Simple as that. Is like if you like theater and symphonic music, but dont like opera, cause the music in symphonies is better and the performance in theater is better, wich dont implies that u will like the mixture. Basically, the fusion in prog metal can put both tendencies in middling.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 10:03
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Metal bad -- prog metal worse. grunt  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 10:18
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As far as prog metal versus non-prog metal, it really depends on the band and genre. I really don't like Symphony X or DT, however I really enjoy Cynic, Agalloch, Opeth, Grayceon, Pelican etc. I tend to prefer prefer prog metal from the tech/extreme subgenres, or from the post/experimental subgenre, but even in those subgenres there is much that I do not enjoy. Whereas with non-prog metal I enjoy certain forms of black metal, and certain forms of doom metal. But even within those subgenres there is a lot of stuff that is mediocre and terrible, and just a few good bands doing interesting stuff. So, in essence metal is so broad it is really hard to say prog metal or non-prog metal. I think that both genres have a lot of garbage and some gems. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 10:59
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I like some old metal, though. Rusty metal? Bronze age metal? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 11:03
LOL, this.  -------------
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 11:56
That's a very good example for different reasons because I don't really like operatic singing. I like the pomp of theatricality because with rock elements, it makes for a kicka** combination (interpreting theater as theater rock here and not theater as in acting). Symphony of course is just grand and ambitious in its scope. |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 12:02
Prog metal is far cheesier than most thrash/death/black/traditional methinks. The only metal that's cheesier than prog metal is power metal. ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 00:31
| I like metal, but not as much as I used to. Prog metal on the other hand is a bit too w**ky for my taste. However, imo PoS is the one acceptation to the rule. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 09:18
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so according to the opener, there is prog metal on one hand and metal on the other hand. But what is this other metal : because I don't see a lot of similarities between glam metal and black metal. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 09:22
Oh, metalheads don't like glam either. Ok, sometimes they like stupid bands like Dokken and Skid Row and still manage to bash Dream Theater but that's a particular kind of metalheads who are woefully uninformed about rock and who usually got initiated through Slipknot or Linkin Park and not classic rock. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 14:48
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 14:55
| I kind of like Skid Row, yeah. |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 17:03
Metal is the law, man: |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 17:14
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anyone ever heard Waltari : they can play glam metal, black metal, prog metal, thrash metal, funk metal, indus metal, rap metal, folk metal, gothic metal, all this on the same album...Sort of the Dixie Dregs of metal. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:03
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I hate all metal. I find it over the top non melodic image music. It's not even heavy really. Heavy music is meant to put a shiver down your spine with the sound and melody. But metal is embarrassing with it's 'try to be scary' image. I like heavy rock music such Black Sabbath. But I don't like their 2 heaviest songs Symptom of the universe and Sabbath bloody. They have a w**k factor
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:19
I don't think more metal is made with the intention of seeming scary. That's a silly misconception. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 19:30
Why would someone sing like cookie monster? It's a fad. Try and be evil fad
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 19:37
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For one thing, growling vocals belong only to a portion of metal. Beyond that, there's no arguing with people harboring preconceptions. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 20:25
There's also the overload of guitar. Even the non growl vocals I hardly ever like. I call metal 'Anger music'. Never rated metal compositions really
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 22:29
Well, that is exactly the kind of metalhead I am talking about. They get so used to that wall of distortion effect of metal that they practically can't listen to any rock played with er, normal levels of distortion or loudness. So Skid Row, WASP, Dokken is more or less hard rock for the metalheads. Me, if I wanted hard rock, I'd grab hard rock or at least that heavy metal which captures the essence of hard rock well, like Accept. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 22:31
He's not totally off base though. Sabbath were inspired by horror movies and they wanted to make the musical equivalent of horror movies. Fortunately, they remembered to put the tongue-in-the-cheek. That aside, yes, not all metal bands want to scare and in fact there are a lot many who don't but the stereotype has stuck. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 04:10
I'd tend to agree with this (outside the fact that I actually liked the early metal bands)
Normally I should prefer progmetal to regular metal music
I never found DT or QR inspiring <<< Actually I always found them pretentious and because of that a bit laughable like Angra, Stratovarius, Royal Hunt, etc... (>> I'm taking Tool out of the progMetal because i find them more psychmetal than progmetal), and the cheesyness gets even worse in bands like Riverside or later Porcupine Tree
Sooooo I'd be tempted to say I prefer regular metal, but I can't really say that honestly.... my good experiences with metal stops mostly in 81 or 82, really
although I admit that i can listen to most 80's metal forms easier now than back then >>> stuff like Metallica, Slayer, Y&T, and even (eehmmmm!!!!..
  ) Still hate Twisted Sister and Bon Anchiovi, though
 ... And still find Manowar totally laughable Sooo i'll go for "regular" metal
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 00:22
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Posted By: Blackwater Floyd
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 21:24
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it depends on what you call prog metal, which i consider to be Opeth, dream theater, riverside, pain of salvation, AND NOT (repeat) NOT "cheap dream theater imitations". I think proper prog metal is great. I DIG BOTH (metal and progmetal)
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:20
Most (sane) metalheads find Manowar laughable.
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Posted By: avantgrind
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 21:01
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 01:40
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I like both. Both have bands I dislike, obviously. For instance I dislike death metal but I do like Death (Chuck's band). I also like a little bit of melodic death like early Arch Enemy (the albums with the male vocals), Insomnium and Be'Lakor and even some Carcass (but definitely NOT their grind period), some Amorphis (but not their early stuff). I also like Gojira. Never liked black metal, but I do sometimes listen to Agalloch (2 albums though The Mantle and Ashes against the Grain), Negura Bunget - Om and Dordeduh (their only album so far Dardeduh, hopefully their make some new music because they are really good) i dislike everything -core and also nu-metal. Not sure what Deftones, RATM are, but I do like them. There's a ton of uninspired, predictable progressive metal out there as well. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 01:49
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Prog Metal is the one I really care about.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 03:34
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I like some artists classified as progressive metal, but I generally find that scene to have a worse signal-to-noise ratio than straight-up progressive rock or metal. A lot of prog metal groups just feel like outsider approximations of one of their parent genres, and when listening to band like Edge of Sanity or especially Opeth I just don't find their song structures anywhere as well put together as the 70s prog rock groups they're influenced by. On the other hand, there are groups like Voivod who manage to take that kind of "outside perspective" on their inspirations and actually make it work to their favour. I'm not sure how they manage to pull it off, but somehow they do. Maybe it's because Voivod have a more "deconstructionist" approach to music composition than those other two groups, and coming from more of an eccentric punk background in the vein of Killing Joke and Die Kreuzen they're outsiders to both metal and prog? Then again, by the token of the premise I threw out earlier that'd mean they'd screw up even worse. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |