Greatest Schwarzenegger Film (the Real poll)

TheClosing wrote: Atavachron wrote: they are classic well-made films; T2 has some great moments.  Unfortunately it was also made toothless by Cameron's taste for sugary sentiment and in-jokes, betraying the spirit of the first film's stark, economic storytelling.  As for Die Hard, good when it came out, doesn't hold up as well.  On the other hand, the Alien franchise is still thoroughly watchable, IMO, all four films exceptional in their own way though very different. You talk about betraying a films spirit, then you go on to say all four Alien movies are exceptional? Umm, Resurrection, anybody? This cornball was a total betrayal of the series. Even Joss Whedon (the writer) is embarrassed of this disgrace.

yes this is a very valid point, even the second Alien movie veers quite far from the original

Atavachron wrote: they are classic well-made films; T2 has some great moments.  Unfortunately it was also made toothless by Cameron's taste for sugary sentiment and in-jokes, betraying the spirit of the first film's stark, economic storytelling.  As for Die Hard, good when it came out, doesn't hold up as well.  On the other hand, the Alien franchise is still thoroughly watchable, IMO, all films of the original trilogy exceptional in their own way though very different.

Agreed.

TheClosing wrote: Henry Plainview wrote:  despite being absolutely terrible movies except for fulfilling a fantasy of vicariously blowing sh*t up. Die Hard is a stupid movie and acknowledging and reveling in its stupidity doesn't make it any better.  There's no breadth or depth to your contempt at all. Writing something off as stupid because it has explosions in it is actually quite puerile. If you can't tell the difference between a Michael Bay flick and T2 or Die Hard then you shouldn't be talking movies.

Oh no, I have been judged to have bad taste in stupid action movies with abysmal dialogue and characterization, whatever will I do. As far as I can remember, I haven't actually seen any Michael Bay movies, but I have as much desire to see one of his movies as I do to watch Die Hard 2 or the rest of Terminator. So I guess I'll never know which is worse. I'll just have to carry on, somehow.

Edited by Henry Plainview - December 09 2010 at 23:19

TheClosing wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: They also thought The Sixth Sense and Crash (2004) were good movies and those are absolute garbage. What does the opinion of the masses or the self-important critics matter? If you can't find enjoyment out of T2 then you might want to check and see if your pair is still intact.  Seriously though, what movies do you think are great? Let me guess besides PTA, you're a Cronenberg or perhaps Lynch fan? You're so avant bro! Let's here it, I'm prepared to take you to film school.

It's an understandable mistake, but unlike most avant-garde music fans I don't care for almost any visual avant-garde art and I have a mixed relationship with avant-garde literature. I can't speak for their other movies, but Videodrome and Eraserhead are pretentious garbage. I actually sat down to watch T2 after stonie got mad at me for making fun of it, but I had to turn it off during the interminable truck chase scene because it was clear that it wasn't going to get any less boring, and the writing certainly wasn't going to stop making me cringe. I'm not sure why enjoying EXPLOSIONS DEATH AGGRESSION RAAAAHHHHHH RAGE HUMP UNF UNF UNF movies is apparently a requirement for being male, despite being absolutely terrible movies except for fulfilling a fantasy of vicariously blowing sh*t up. Die Hard is a stupid movie and acknowledging and reveling in its stupidity doesn't make it any better. And now we have videogames so there's not even any need for the explosions fantasy anymore! Do women shun those who don't like The Notebook and other horrible chick flicks? I don't know, I've never talked to one, but maybe they do and it's a gender equivalent group bonding exercise. I would, however, rather watch part of T2 than an equivalent amount of Eraserhead and Videodrome, at least T2 isn't pretending that it has a deeper meaning.

The movies I do like are actually quite mainstream, I just shock people with the breadth and depth of my contempt. Besides There Will Be Blood, the other movies in my top 5 are probably The Godfather Pt. 1 (Part 2 was still good, but I'm the only person apparently who thought it wasn't nearly as good), Fargo, No Country For Old Men, and Dr. Strangelove, but don't hold me to that as absolute truth, I hate best of lists and I don't care that much about movies. I even think Zoolander and Tropic Thunder were funny movies! I liked the blatant audience pandering and wild inaccuracies of The Hurt Locker! See, I'm warm and fuzzy once you get past the spikes. 

Vompatti wrote: Twins isn't a bad movie.

exactly this

Twins isn't a bad movie.

Edited by TheClosing - December 09 2010 at 18:17

I enjoyed Kindergarten Cop, but wouldn't call any Arny movie greatest.

TheClosing wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Terminator and Predator?  I would not consider either of those good movies. So..... While you might not, most critics and moviegoers alike do in fact consider the first two Terminator movies classics.

They also thought The Sixth Sense and Crash (2004) were good movies and those are absolute garbage. What does the opinion of the masses or the self-important critics matter?