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Poll Question: which of the sci-fi/adventure movies by Disney do you like
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:56
Atlantis seemed the most interesting to me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2010 at 12:46
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Ivan, the thing is, all your arguments are about Disney the person, Disney the company, etc. Yes, bad ideas and things were probably said. But the thread's question was "which of these three do you prefer?". Now I actually don't like any of this, and wouldn't even have participated but your comments needed some reply Wink If the thread was called "Your opinion on Walt Disney" then maybe none would object to your comments,a t least not regarding people liking or not movies.... 

It's like you made a Genesis' thread called "Pick one of this three Gabriel-era albums" and someone came and said "But Tony Banks once said that all SouthAmericans have to die!". Does it have anything to do with the poll? Tongue 
 
One of the three movies is a distorsion of Robert Louis Stevenson's Classic "Treasure Island", plus, when wioll another Disney thread will be made to guive an opinion?
 
About Genesis, a lot of threads have started about one, two or three Genesis albums and klots of "I don't care for Gnesis" or "G3enesis is the most overrated" posts have appeared, and nobody says a word.
 
That's what threads are about.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2010 at 12:46
I think it's important to point out that people are not all good or all bad. Disney was wrong about a lot, yes, and he surely did some bad things, but he was also a wonderful entertainer, famously kind to children and a truly inspirational artist. I believe his primary motivation for things like Disneyland was to make people happy. Sure, you can say he was only in it for the money, but whether or not that's true, his vision has brought joy to millions.
I also enjoy the music of Richard Wagner, even though he was a narcissistic, idea stealing anti-semite. I can separate the art from the artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2010 at 12:39
Ivan, the thing is, all your arguments are about Disney the person, Disney the company, etc. Yes, bad ideas and things were probably said. But the thread's question was "which of these three do you prefer?". Now I actually don't like any of this, and wouldn't even have participated but your comments needed some reply Wink If the thread was called "Your opinion on Walt Disney" then maybe none would object to your comments,a t least not regarding people liking or not movies.... 

It's like you made a Genesis' thread called "Pick one of this three Gabriel-era albums" and someone came and said "But Tony Banks once said that all SouthAmericans have to die!". Does it have anything to do with the poll? Tongue 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2010 at 11:01
I know people don't care about Walt Disney, but doesn'  statement from the Disney Executive Director of International publicity made a few years ago scares you¡
 
"No one here really cares about the historical aspects.  Once a movie has been shot people move on to the others.
It really scares me and makes me recommend parents toavopid Disney movies?
 
I can expect this statement from an ignorant, but not ftrom a high executive of a company that has proclaimed the children are their main interest.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 23:53
let's set things in perspective
 
Roald Dahl in he's later years was also accused for having racist symphathys, it is said that the origin and backstory of the oompa-loompas In Charlie and the Chocolate-factory were half-racist, and that he had anti-semitic sympatys as well, but that don't stop millions of adults and children to get entranced into he's wonderfull books, whom are all classics, even Tolkien was under the magnifying glass (but he made clare statments both personal and academical answeres to way anti-semiticem and Hitler-germany was nothing he could ever be a follower of) (and both are 1st World War veterans in the air-force)
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 22:28
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

I'm going to just put my two cents in about this "argument"...

Walt Disney was a creative genius. A crazy genius who was wrong on many things IMO, but a genius nonetheless. I honestly couldn't care less about his political views (which is true in all cases) unless it affects the plot of his writing and film making. I strongly disagree with Walt Disney on many fronts, but it seems a bit absurd for that to affect my enjoyment of his films.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 19:12
I'm going to just put my two cents in about this "argument"...

Walt Disney was a creative genius. A crazy genius who was wrong on many things IMO, but a genius nonetheless. I honestly couldn't care less about his political views (which is true in all cases) unless it affects the plot of his writing and film making. I strongly disagree with Walt Disney on many fronts, but it seems a bit absurd for that to affect my enjoyment of his films.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 19:08
I haven't seen these in a while, but I loved Lilo and Stitch. A heartwarming and funny film that still manages to sent a message about humanity as a whole. If Wall-E had been on this list, it would've gotten my vote, though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 19:05
That's your choice, but let others to express their opinions without being called trolls, specially if we have strong and supported arguments.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 19:02
I wasn't contradicting anything else you said. I just didn't care. All I did was focus on one point you made about Disney the man, and addressed it. The rest of your post makes no difference to me. My enjoyment of certain Disney films still stands. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 18:46
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
I honestly can't understand people, Christian Vander is accused of having sympathy for Hitler without any evidence, and some say they can't listen him any more, but on the other hand a well known fascist as Walt Disney who had no problems accusing David Hilberman (And I believe 9 more ex colleagues) with the House Un-American Activities Committee, is a hero.

Disney being the massive prick that he was has nothing to do with whether or not I can enjoy his studio's films. Hell, my favorite Disney works came out a very long time after the man was already deceased. Am I suppose to denounce and reject the studio's films simply because the founder was a nutcase? I like the damn films, and I'm not ashamed of it. Who cares about Walt Disney? I certainly don't. 
 
When you try to make mockey of an opinion, you should at least quote the whole post:
 
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Disney is part of the monopoly of the RIAA, a company that had no troubles suing Sony in the famous Betamax Case, and later joined with Sony to protect their interests in the record industry

Now, I love FANTASIA and consider it a masterpiece as some of his early works, but genius doesn't justify other abuses.

And about the movies, I have no respect for those who distort history and classics.

This are my arguments
 
The Betamax case and most of the distorsion of history and/or authors comes after Walt Disney died, as a fact I'm not the only one who noticed this, in an open letter to the Disney Studios about "Hidalgo", the author quotes Disney's Executive Director of International Publicity, who says:
 
Originally posted by <a href=http://www.thelongridersguild.com/disney.htm target=_blank>http://www.thelongridersguild.com/disney.htm</A>  http://www.thelongridersguild.com/disney.htm  wrote:

]"No one here really cares about the historical aspects.  Once a movie has been shot people move on to the others. ….  If it transpires that the historical aspects are in question, I don't think people would care that much," Heyn told the media.
 
No one here cares about the historical aspects, probably not in Disney studios but many others do:
 
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Dr. Vine Deloria, Jr. is a leading Native American scholar, a retired professor emeritus of history at the University of Colorado and the author of many acclaimed books. 

 

Deloria wrote, “Hopkins’ claims are so outrageously false that one wonders why the Disney people were attracted to this material at all - except of course the constant propensity to make money under any conditions available. One need only peruse the mass of material purporting to deal with the Oglala Sioux and Hopkins' claims regarding them to see that almost anything can be acceptable to the money-mad titans of Hollywood. … Hollywood in all its fictional ventures of the past has never treated history with just such a dismissive attitude. Disney must need the money to take such a bold step.” 

 

Dr. Deloria went on to denounce Hopkins as an Indian imposter, and called him the “World’s Greatest Liar.”  

 
 
In Google the accusations are many and about many movies and stories modified without the authorization of the author or right holders.
 
So please, if you are going to try to contradict me, quote the whole post.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 18:00
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
I honestly can't understand people, Christian Vander is accused of having sympathy for Hitler without any evidence, and some say they can't listen him any more, but on the other hand a well known fascist as Walt Disney who had no problems accusing David Hilberman (And I believe 9 more ex colleagues) with the House Un-American Activities Committee, is a hero.

Disney being the massive prick that he was has nothing to do with whether or not I can enjoy his studio's films. Hell, my favorite Disney works came out a very long time after the man was already deceased. Am I suppose to denounce and reject the studio's films simply because the founder was a nutcase? I like the damn films, and I'm not ashamed of it. Who cares about Walt Disney? I certainly don't. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 17:52
Lilo and Stitch. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 15:54
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I vote Lilo and Stitch. What an original, charming film.


I share your horror at the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but probably just because it's one of my favorite novels.
However, Disney has made enough timeless classics (Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Pinocchio, Fantasia, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, not to mention all the Pixar stuff) that I am willing to overlook their ocassional missteps.
 
I honestly can't understand people, Christian Vander is accused of having sympathy for Hitler without any evidence, and some say they can't listen him any more, but on the other hand a well known fascist as Walt Disney who had no problems accusing David Hilberman (And I believe 9 more ex colleagues) with the House Un-American Activities Committee, is a hero.

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The Testimony of Walter E. Disney
Before the House Committee on
Un-American Activities
24 October, 1947

(FRAGMENT)

HAS: Can you name any other individuals that were active at the time
of the strike that you believe in your opinion are Communists?

WD: Well, I feel that there is one artist in my plant, that came in
there, he came in about 1938, and he sort of stayed in the background,
he wasn't too active, but he was the real brains of this, and I
believe he is a Communist. His name is David Hilberman.

HAS: How is it spelled?

WD: H-i-l-b-e-r-m-a-n, I believe. I looked into his record and I found
that, number 1, that he had no religion and, number 2, that he had
spent considerable time at the Moscow Art Theatre studying art
direction, or something.

HAS: Any others, Mr. Disney?

WD: Well, I think Sorrell is sure tied up with them. If he isn't a
Communist, he sure should be one.

HAS: Do you remember the name of William Pomerance, did he have
anything to do with it?

WD: Yes, sir. He came in later. Sorrell put him in charge as business
manager of cartoonists and later he went to the Screen Actors as their
business agent, and in turn he put in another man by the name of
Maurice Howard, the present business agent. And they are all tied up
with the same outfit.

HAS: What is your opinion of Mr. Pomerance and Mr. Howard as to
whether or not they are or are not Communists?

WD: In my opinion they are Communists. No one has any way of proving
those things.

Even when I'm clearly anti-Communist, I can't accept witch hunts and much less respect those who to protect their a$$e$ sell their friends and colleagues.

Disney is part of the monopoly of the RIAA, a company that had no troubles suing Sony in the famous Betamax Case, and later joined with Sony to protect their interests in the record industry

Now, I love FANTASIA and consider it a masterpiece as some of his early works, but genius doesn't justify other abuses.

And about the movies, I have no respect for those who distort history and classics.

This are my arguments
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 11:42
I vote Lilo and Stitch. What an original, charming film.


Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I honestly believe Disney Studios are the worst thing that could happen to movie industry.
 
For God's sake, they sell dramatic classics with a happy ending (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)
 
If it wasn't enough, they change history (Anastaxcia).
 
I believe that teaching fake history to kids and distorting the classics is worst than avoiding them. Can't stand Disney movies after Fantasia.
 
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I share your horror at the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but probably just because it's one of my favorite novels.
However, Disney has made enough timeless classics (Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Pinocchio, Fantasia, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, not to mention all the Pixar stuff) that I am willing to overlook their ocassional missteps.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 11:36
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I honestly believe Disney Studios are the worst thing that could happen to movie industry.
 

I know it's your opinion, but I can't believe someone would say that of the Studios that owns Pixar (a studio that has given as the greatest masterpieces of animation of this era), plus classics like Fantasia, Pinnochio, Beauty and The Beast, etc, etc. 


By the way, I think all the movies listed above suck. Disney in the 00's (sans Pixar) does kind of suck. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 09:49
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:


Anastasia was by 20th Century Fox. 

And no film based on history accurately depicts it. It's fantasy. It's entertainment. Your Notre Dame gripe is especially hilarious, since the 1939 classic everyone loves also featured a butchered, happier ending. To act as if Disney is a special case makes me think you must be intentionally trolling this thread. I mean, the topic isn't even about the studio, it's about three specific films made by the studio. 

Somehow, when I saw your name in here, before even reading your post, I knew you going to say something outlandish. 
 
Honestly believed Anastasia was Disney movie,but no matter, I have the worst opinion of Disney studios.
 
And no I'm not trolling a thread, I'm giving an honest opinion ofwhat Disney is, or...Do you only want positive opinions?
 
When a thread about ELP or Dream Theater and even Yes or Genesis is open, some members say one of this bands is crap, mediocre, or whatever, ando nobody says a word..Because this is a free opinion forum.
 
If that changes, this will cease to be an opinion forum and turn into a fan club.
 
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Somehow, when I saw your name in here, before even reading your post, I knew you going to say something outlandish. 
 
Maybe because I always say what I believe without hiding my opinions
 
People has gioven worst opinions about Disney here, and you said nothing, seems you don't like my posts and honestly I don't give a damn about it, I will always give my honest opinion..
 
If you want hypocrisy, then don't read my posts.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 08:10

you can never outgrowe a Disney movei (at least not the 90s films, they are so layerd you will be supriced of what are being said or refered to in some scenes Approve)

like in Aladdin where the sultan blesses Allah atleast 3 times during the movie
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