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horsewithteeth11
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Topic: JFK Assassination Posted: December 09 2009 at 11:56 |
Ultimately, I think Oswald did not act alone, of that much I'm certain based on what I've read. I think he was hired by someone to take the fall for the assassination. Could be the CIA, could be the mafia, could be Castro, could even be the Soviets, it doesn't matter too much. I also think Ruby was involved, and shot LHO to keep him from coughing up any information that would have put others involved behind bars for life or in the electric chair.
I voted "other" because none of the other options alone work for me.
Edited by birdwithteeth11 - December 09 2009 at 11:57
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 16:19 |
I wanna talk about the moon landing. Didn't those guys freeze or what? i have no solid evidence on the J.F.K. Assasination. What I saw was an underground video called "Need To Know" This same video, in fact, was mysteriously "snowed rolled" overnight, showing no evidence of the shooting at all. Also showing an alien cadaver, and sub-terrainean domes
I'll never forget that wet,cold and grey afternoon in Nov 63 the slow moving procession of the funeral. The absolute Nation in mourning. T.V. was black and white then. Everything was grey, remember?
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:54 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
halabalushindigus wrote:
Actually, there is evidence. Not from the Zapruder |
If there were credible evidence, people outside of the internet would believe it. |
Very true!
Does Ms Miley know she has a stalker by the way? If not she should be warned
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:51 |
halabalushindigus wrote:
Actually, there is evidence. Not from the Zapruder |
If there were credible evidence, people outside of the internet would believe it.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:43 |
halabalushindigus wrote:
Actually, there is evidence. Not from the Zapruder |
Do you speak of Greer's alleged 'hatred' of Kennedy and his catholic background? Or perhaps the theory that some of JFK's guards were so shocked at his lack of fidelity they killed him? For that to be true, every agent who has different beliefs than a President would be a perpetual threat. It doesn't really work like that.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:37 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
..and civil rights legislation, the initial push for an Endowment For the Arts (particularly from Jackie), effective anti-Mob strategy, and a sane economic policy from a man who couldn't be bought because he was already rich.
| For the first 2 years of Kennedy's term in office he did precisely squat in response to calls from black leaders to implement comprehensive civil rights legislation. Given that the Democrats held a very narrow majority in Congress and that many democrat seats were held by southerners opposed to such legislation, it seems plausible that JFK would have required the white southern support to win re-election come 1964. In Feb 1963 Kennedy submitted to Congress a very watered-down version of the legislation required and there is very little evidence to suggest he promoted its implementation before it quietly expired. It took the televised violence of southern segregationists against civil rights campaigners in June 1963 before he was forced to act under the pressure of widespread outrage. Even then, the revised legislation had still not been passed at the time of JFK's death.During the 1960 presidential election JFK's father Joe Kennedy arrived at an 'understanding' with Sam Giancana (a former Al Capone hit-man and one of the most influential figures in Chicago organised crime) The unions at that time were mob controlled and their rank and file membership were 'instructed' to vote for JFK. In addition to this arrangement, the Teamster's Union Funds were siphoned off for JFK's election campaign funds. What Giancana and his cohorts got in return is open to debate, but certainly 'blind cop's eyes' has always been considered a delicacy on any any mobster's menu. Without the support of organised crime, votes bought with his father's money and electoral fraud in at least 11 states, JFK would never have been elected.Judith Campbell Exner (one of a countless number of JFK's mistresses) acted as a conduit for papers and monies passed between JFK and the aforementioned Sam Giancana. Campbell also passed along money from Californian businessmen to JFK for at least three separate contract proposals (a.k.a bribes)Why would a man rich enough to the extent he cannot be bought do this ? It's a little critter called greed.Perhaps the most enduring legacy of JFK's time in office is that of fostering amongst the electorate a credulous naivety that led the voters to believe their tropical fish were safe in the hands of an Irish mob family of seals. |
OK but picking gnat crap out of pepper doesn't tell us much about JFK the leader.. sounds like American politics as usual in the early 60s and does not negate any of his service or accomplishments.
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 12:26 |
Actually, there is evidence. Not from the Zapruder
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 08:02 |
halabalushindigus wrote:
I was told that Kellerman, the passenger in the front of the car, was actually steering while Grier turned and fired over his left shoulder. Why were all the secret service bodygaurds riding shotgun on the running boards of the limo BEHIND the Presidents. They stand on the running boards to take a bullet. protecting the President. They were all standing on the second car. You can see Grier adjusting his mirror first, then jerking his head back and look at John, then you see the plastic something or other on his shoulder and then you see Kennedy brains get blown out at point range because his matter is already 50 feet back of the car and ,of course, Jackie is climbing out of this death-trap and looks back at the driver,My god, is he going to shoot me too? |
There's no evidence to support any of this.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 07:10 |
Atavachron wrote:
..and civil rights legislation, the initial push for an Endowment For the Arts (particularly from Jackie), effective anti-Mob strategy, and a sane economic policy from a man who couldn't be bought because he was already rich.
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For the first 2 years of Kennedy's term in office he did precisely squat in response to calls from black leaders to implement comprehensive civil rights legislation. Given that the Democrats held a very narrow majority in Congress and that many democrat seats were held by southerners opposed to such legislation, it seems plausible that JFK would have required the white southern support to win re-election come 1964. In Feb 1963 Kennedy submitted to Congress a very watered-down version of the legislation required and there is very little evidence to suggest he promoted its implementation before it quietly expired. It took the televised violence of southern segregationists against civil rights campaigners in June 1963 before he was forced to act under the pressure of widespread outrage. Even then, the revised legislation had still not been passed at the time of JFK's death. During the 1960 presidential election JFK's father Joe Kennedy arrived at an 'understanding' with Sam Giancana (a former Al Capone hit-man and one of the most influential figures in Chicago organised crime) The unions at that time were mob controlled and their rank and file membership were 'instructed' to vote for JFK. In addition to this arrangement, the Teamster's Union Funds were siphoned off for JFK's election campaign funds. What Giancana and his cohorts got in return is open to debate, but certainly 'blind cop's eyes' has always been considered a delicacy on any any mobster's menu. Without the support of organised crime, votes bought with his father's money and electoral fraud in at least 11 states, JFK would never have been elected. Judith Campbell Exner (one of a countless number of JFK's mistresses) acted as a conduit for papers and monies passed between JFK and the aforementioned Sam Giancana. Campbell also passed along money from Californian businessmen to JFK for at least three separate contract proposals (a.k.a bribes) Why would a man rich enough to the extent he cannot be bought do this ? It's a little critter called greed. Perhaps the most enduring legacy of JFK's time in office is that of fostering amongst the electorate a credulous naivety that led the voters to believe their tropical fish were safe in the hands of an Irish mob family of seals.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 04:29 |
yes secret service behavior that day was suspicious
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 04:06 |
I was told that Kellerman, the passenger in the front of the car, was actually steering while Grier turned and fired over his left shoulder. Why were all the secret service bodygaurds riding shotgun on the running boards of the limo BEHIND the Presidents. They stand on the running boards to take a bullet. protecting the President. They were all standing on the second car. You can see Grier adjusting his mirror first, then jerking his head back and look at John, then you see the plastic something or other on his shoulder and then you see Kennedy brains get blown out at point range because his matter is already 50 feet back of the car and ,of course, Jackie is climbing out of this death-trap and looks back at the driver,My god, is he going to shoot me too?
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someone_else
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 02:49 |
I vote for other: a joint venture of the mafia and the CIA. JFK was shot by a guy called James Files.
Edited by someone_else - November 24 2009 at 02:49
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 02:38 |
she looks at the driver, Bill Greer, accused of shooting - or 'accidently shooting' - the President with his automatic pistol. The Zapruder film appears to show this but on further examination he is holding no gun and both hands are on the wheel. It was a good theory though and got a lot of attention.
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 02:33 |
Here's a hint: When Jackie Kennedy starts crawling out of her seat to the rear of the car on the trunk, she turns around and looks at the ?............................................(you know you can't talk about this)
U.S. Government owes The Kennedy Family a formal apology Japan too, in my book
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jammun
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:28 |
And let's not forget...
I have seen some reasonable arguments that his death directly resulted in the popularity (at least in the U.S.) of The Beatles, hence changing the course of rock history.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:12 |
Oh....yeah.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:09 |
..and civil rights legislation, the initial push for an Endowment For the Arts (particularly from Jackie), effective anti-Mob strategy, and a sane economic policy from a man who couldn't be bought because he was already rich.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 21:54 |
Yeah but other than a good economy, the Peace Corps, special forces, and pushing for the first manned moon mission, and averting nuclear disaster, and being inspirational to the band name of The Dead Kennedy's, what did JFK ever do for us?
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 23 2009 at 22:12
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:26 |
Oh not to mention a good economy, the Peace Corps, special forces, and pushing for the first manned moon mission.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:23 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
John F. Kennedy overrated? That's very funny. Yes of course he was overrated, just like Winston Churchill (a favorite of mine, the fat b*****d), Albert Einstein (he wasn't really that smart, right? Those weren't his ideas), and let's not forget PA's favorite, The Beatles (who had their songs written by gnomes). Overrated.. psh. |
The other ones actually accomplished something. :P |
yeah you're right, he just wrecked his body saving his crew during WW II from sure death in shark infested waters keeping them alive on a rock till help arrived, decided to devote his life to public service, became one of the youngest senators ever, beat perhaps the most twisted man ever to the Presidency and ushered in a time of reivigoration with his intellect, humor, and appreciation of humanity and the arts.
Yeah what a loser.
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