JFK Assassination
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Topic: JFK Assassination
Posted By: synthguy
Subject: JFK Assassination
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 12:46
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This topic has been an interest of mine for many, many years. I used to be in the conspiracy camp, but after much reading I have decided that the Warren Commission was correct in their findings. Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin.
Your thoughts? ------------- Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest... |
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 13:20
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I killed him and Lee harvey all on my own.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 13:22
| Aliens did it, or the Lone Gunmen. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 13:33
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Twas Daffy Duck Diddit! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 13:45
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Everybody knows it was Mother Theresa. ------------- |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 13:49
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Oliver Stone killed JFK
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 14:12
| Mafia. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 14:28
| Careful now... |
Posted By: synthguy
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 14:35
He certainly took liberties with the record. I would hope that people would have sense enough to understand that his film JFK is historical fiction and not swallow the crap he's dishing out. ------------- Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest... |
mrcozdude wrote:Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 15:43
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I haven't read anything convincing me it was other than old Harv-O ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 15:54
| You haven't read Best Evidence: Disguise and Deception in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy by David Lifton. |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 15:55
this |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 16:01
Daffy Duck didn't carry around a gun. I'm thinking Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 16:05
Amen to that. I've probably read 50 books on the assassination and that one still tops 'em all. Back then when the military brass told an underling that they "didn't see anything" it carried a lot more weight than it does now. And the U.S. House of Reps inquiry came to the conclusion that JFK was murdered by more than one gunman and that official finding still stands today. Take it up with the justice department as to why they didn't follow up on that. I'm just sayin.... ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 16:05
yep
all the scientific evidence supports the warren commission
a lot of people just can't accept that someone so seemingly insignificant could take down a president despite it already happening several times -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 16:07
f**k me! Yes! I was just having a glass of Johnny Walker (Black Label) and I had just come to the same conclusion. At least I decided it must have been Yosemite (But maybe I am coming to conclusions without any real evidence?)
It must have been him though!??
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Posted By: synthguy
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 16:19
I have read Lifton's books. Removing the body from Air Force One and altering the medical evidence via postmortem surgeries are the core of Lifton's arguements, if I remember correctly. Oswald is mentioned as if a footnote to the assassination. I don't buy his theories for many reasons, the main one being the amount of people who would have to be involved in such a conspiracy. ------------- Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest... |
Posted By: synthguy
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 16:29
The House Select committes multiple gunman/organized crime conclusion was based on an acoustical study that was later found to be flawed. The police dictabelt recordings the experts analyzed were believed to be from Dealey Plaza at the time of the Assassination. It was later determined that the recordings are actually from several minutes after the gunshots had occured. If you're interested in reading a pro Oswald as the only shooter book check out "cased closed" by Gerald Posner Better still is the Warren Commission report itself. It's dry yet compelling reading that's often overlooked. ------------- Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest... |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 16:43
Wasn't the main thesis of that book shot down in several peer reviewed medical journals? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 17:43
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CIA ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 22:02
| Not that is one magic loogie!! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 22:08
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The more I think about it, the more I am convinced it was a suicide, or Yosemite Sam...
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 22:48
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Conspiracy theories are always stupid and irrational. If there were any logical reason to believe them, experts in their respective fields wouldn't think they're crazy. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 23:00
That is why people were giving nonsensical answers. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 23:06
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 23:10
I know. I'm sure most people have seen the footage of the assassination, combined with the usually believed story, I am pretty sure |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 23:11
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LHO probably did it himself... the only thing that still leaves me suspicious was his killing 2 days later; the whole action when Ruby shot him is too much theatrical to be spontaneous IMO. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 23:13
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I've been reseaching this case a long time, we do know one thing for sure: Oswald was in some way involved or he wouldn't have fled the scene, went home and got a handgun. Further, despite what we hear, Oswald was a well-trained marksman, particularly in how to ambush with a rifle. The shot from the Depository was possible and the headwounds could be consistent with a shot from behind. As of right now, the best evidence is that he did it. The question that remains is were others involved.
That concludes today's morbid lecture. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 23:42
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I heard the LHC created a black hole and sucked him in. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 04:47
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^^^ Not before the Mossad had roughed him up a bit first...
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 07:54
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I voted 'other' simply because neither of the 2 books I have read about these events have convinced me that the ballistics are consistent with that of a lone gunman. At the risk of wading into unrelated waters, as a Brit I am constantly perplexed by the reverence JFK is held in by sections of the US. He is routinely described as representing the nascent idealism of young America cut down in its/his prime. We are forever reminded that the 'gateway to a better world' was somehow closed on his admittedly cruel and untimely demise. This reeks of the cramped cosmos of a nation whose chief export is themselves. From whatever credible disinterested source I look, I receive the same contradictory portrayal of a narcissistic sleaze-ball. I genuinely don't mean to be disrespectful to the dead here, but a sober reappraisal of one of the 20th Century's most stubborn myths is well overdue. Those outside the US that could be bothered to express an opinion on JFK would probably conclude that Bobby Kennedy was more deserving of such eulogies. Apologies for those whose sensibilities are vandalised by the foregoing, but those of us outside Uncle Sam's backyard do grieve the loss of life but find it more onerous to console the relatives when they constantly offer fashion tips on funeral attire. ------------- 
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 11:44
He is an extremely overrated by the majority due to his appearence and charm (and speaches in which he refers to himself as a donut) because, if we are being honest, he wasn't really around long enough to be fairly rated as a president. He had one major blunder (Bay of Pigs) and one major feather in his cap (Cuban Missle Crisis, though I'd argue we gave up just as much as the Soviets in the end). I do give him credit as a democrat that believed in tax cuts and capitalism because lord knows those no longer exist.
Also, he had marilyn monroe killed
 turns out it was The Comedian
(the opening montage was the only thing zach snyder did right) ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 12:29
I dislike him and his entire family. I've always been perplexed by the Kennedy romanticizing in this country. The embrace of any political royalty really troubles me. Of course without Kennedy we got LBJ which isn't exactly an upgrade no matter how negative your opinion of Kennedy is. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 12:40
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A photo taken in the vicinity !
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 12:51
Yeah, and he didn't have the ducking skills of W either.  |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 13:27
It's far easier to dodge a shoe than it is a bullet......especially when you see the shoe coming. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 14:45
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John F. Kennedy overrated? That's very funny. Yes of course he was overrated, just like Winston Churchill (a favorite of mine, the fat b*****d), Albert Einstein (he wasn't really that smart, right? Those weren't his ideas), and let's not forget PA's favorite, The Beatles (who had their songs written by gnomes).
Overrated.. psh. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 15:48
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Well, I'm not a Kennedy knocker. I think if he had invaded Cuba during the missile crisis as he was being advised to do, we would probably be toast now. Did he have to compromise to avert that? Yeah. Why is compromise such a dirty word? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 16:09
Yeah but you have to remember that neither party actually wanted to attack each other. The Soviets claimed that they were only aiding an ally to develop a strategic defence sheild, similar to the missile bases that the US had developed in Turkey - within striking distance of anywhere in western and south-central Russia and Ukraine. Both leaders knew that nuclear war would not occur because both were as eager to avert a confrontation. Mutually assured destruction assured that fact. Did Kennedy do the right thing - yes, but only because it was the only option he had. His advisers were blinded by misinformation, they were still terrified that the Red Army was going to roll through the Berlin Blocade, or nuke the US East coast. |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 19:03
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First option: Eugene killed JFK with his axe
Second option: Big Bird ate him! ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 19:39
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:11
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History reminds one to never forget....just possibly maybe forgive. Who cares who killed JFK, may they /the culprit never forget such a heanous act for all eternity.... ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:14
this I believe one of the least likely possibilities; the CIA is undoubtedly manipulative, hard to control and as often misled as misleading, but it's probably unthinkable to any agent, then or now regardless of a President's politics, to even consider something of that magnitude. Plus there'd be little point as he'd be gone in 4 years anyway. I would even speculate the CIA had little or no knowledge of the threats to Kennedy's life leading up to Dallas, as domestic affairs are beyond their mandate-- they look outside not in. Kennedy was at times their nemesis but that's part of a President's job, and does not by any stretch warrant murder. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:23
yeah you're right, he just wrecked his body saving his crew during WW II from sure death in shark infested waters keeping them alive on a rock till help arrived, decided to devote his life to public service, became one of the youngest senators ever, beat perhaps the most twisted man ever to the Presidency and ushered in a time of reivigoration with his intellect, humor, and appreciation of humanity and the arts. Yeah what a loser. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:26
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Oh not to mention a good economy, the Peace Corps, special forces, and pushing for the first manned moon mission.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 21:54
| Yeah but other than a good economy, the Peace Corps, special forces, and pushing for the first manned moon mission, and averting nuclear disaster, and being inspirational to the band name of The Dead Kennedy's, what did JFK ever do for us? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:09
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..and civil rights legislation, the initial push for an Endowment For the Arts (particularly from Jackie), effective anti-Mob strategy, and a sane economic policy from a man who couldn't be bought because he was already rich.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:12
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Oh....yeah.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:28
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And let's not forget...
I have seen some reasonable arguments that his death directly resulted in the popularity (at least in the U.S.) of The Beatles, hence changing the course of rock history. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 02:33
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Here's a hint: When Jackie Kennedy starts crawling out of her seat to the rear of the car on the trunk, she turns around and looks at the ?............................................(you know you can't talk about this)
U.S. Government owes The Kennedy Family a formal apology Japan too, in my book ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 02:38
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she looks at the driver, Bill Greer, accused of shooting - or 'accidently shooting' - the President with his automatic pistol. The Zapruder film appears to show this but on further examination he is holding no gun and both hands are on the wheel. It was a good theory though and got a lot of attention.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 02:49
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I vote for other: a joint venture of the mafia and the CIA. JFK was shot by a guy called James Files. ------------- 
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 04:06
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I was told that Kellerman, the passenger in the front of the car, was actually steering while Grier turned and fired over his left shoulder. Why were all the secret service bodygaurds riding shotgun on the running boards of the limo BEHIND the Presidents. They stand on the running boards to take a bullet. protecting the President. They were all standing on the second car. You can see Grier adjusting his mirror first, then jerking his head back and look at John, then you see the plastic something or other on his shoulder and then you see Kennedy brains get blown out at point range because his matter is already 50 feet back of the car and ,of course, Jackie is climbing out of this death-trap and looks back at the driver,My god, is he going to shoot me too? ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 04:29
| yes secret service behavior that day was suspicious |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 07:10
For the first 2 years of Kennedy's term in office he did precisely squat in response to calls from black leaders to implement comprehensive civil rights legislation. Given that the Democrats held a very narrow majority in Congress and that many democrat seats were held by southerners opposed to such legislation, it seems plausible that JFK would have required the white southern support to win re-election come 1964. In Feb 1963 Kennedy submitted to Congress a very watered-down version of the legislation required and there is very little evidence to suggest he promoted its implementation before it quietly expired. It took the televised violence of southern segregationists against civil rights campaigners in June 1963 before he was forced to act under the pressure of widespread outrage. Even then, the revised legislation had still not been passed at the time of JFK's death. During the 1960 presidential election JFK's father Joe Kennedy arrived at an 'understanding' with Sam Giancana (a former Al Capone hit-man and one of the most influential figures in Chicago organised crime) The unions at that time were mob controlled and their rank and file membership were 'instructed' to vote for JFK. In addition to this arrangement, the Teamster's Union Funds were siphoned off for JFK's election campaign funds. What Giancana and his cohorts got in return is open to debate, but certainly 'blind cop's eyes' has always been considered a delicacy on any any mobster's menu. Without the support of organised crime, votes bought with his father's money and electoral fraud in at least 11 states, JFK would never have been elected. Judith Campbell Exner (one of a countless number of JFK's mistresses) acted as a conduit for papers and monies passed between JFK and the aforementioned Sam Giancana. Campbell also passed along money from Californian businessmen to JFK for at least three separate contract proposals (a.k.a bribes) Why would a man rich enough to the extent he cannot be bought do this ? It's a little critter called greed. Perhaps the most enduring legacy of JFK's time in office is that of fostering amongst the electorate a credulous naivety that led the voters to believe their tropical fish were safe in the hands of an Irish mob family of seals. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 08:02
There's no evidence to support any of this. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 12:26
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Actually, there is evidence. Not from the Zapruder ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:37
OK but picking gnat crap out of pepper doesn't tell us much about JFK the leader.. sounds like American politics as usual in the early 60s and does not negate any of his service or accomplishments. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:43
Do you speak of Greer's alleged 'hatred' of Kennedy and his catholic background? Or perhaps the theory that some of JFK's guards were so shocked at his lack of fidelity they killed him? For that to be true, every agent who has different beliefs than a President would be a perpetual threat. It doesn't really work like that. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:51
If there were credible evidence, people outside of the internet would believe it. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 13:54
 Very true!
Does Ms Miley know she has a stalker by the way? If not she should be warned ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 16:19
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I wanna talk about the moon landing. Didn't those guys freeze or what? i have no solid evidence on the J.F.K. Assasination. What I saw was an underground video called "Need To Know" This same video, in fact, was mysteriously "snowed rolled" overnight, showing no evidence of the shooting at all. Also showing an alien cadaver, and sub-terrainean domes
I'll never forget that wet,cold and grey afternoon in Nov 63 the slow moving procession of the funeral. The absolute Nation in mourning. T.V. was black and white then. Everything was grey, remember?
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: December 09 2009 at 11:56
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Ultimately, I think Oswald did not act alone, of that much I'm certain based on what I've read. I think he was hired by someone to take the fall for the assassination. Could be the CIA, could be the mafia, could be Castro, could even be the Soviets, it doesn't matter too much. I also think Ruby was involved, and shot LHO to keep him from coughing up any information that would have put others involved behind bars for life or in the electric chair. I voted "other" because none of the other options alone work for me. ------------- 
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