Progressive Punk?

NetsNJFan wrote: Blacksword wrote: Souxsie & the Banshees: Check out their albums Hyeana and Tinderbox. Definite prog elements on both. Brilliant albums from a rarely discussed band. Their 70's output was closer to raw ounk, but had elements of Curved Air. Souxsie was a big fan. KIlling Joke: Their albums 'Brighter than a thousand suns' and 'Outside the gate' in particular. The latter is arguably a prog rock album, and nothing to do with punk. PIL: The album 'Happy' which is sadly deleted now, had a very prog feel, especially the tracks 'Seattle' and 'Save me' Lydons fave band of all time was VDGG. I'bve heard Johnny Rotten was very into Peter Hammill.  Was that the only prog he liked?

I'm not certain, although I think he may have been into Hwkwind too. A number of those old punks were. Anyone in punk who could actually play an instrument probably came from a rock background.

Seyo wrote: I dont see any reason why punk and prog should be in contradiction, again genre tags are only invented by press to easily categorize music and sell it to the people.

 

Genre tags also allow listeners to describe what they are actually listening to.

Being as punk all but killed off the prog boom of the 70's, I would view anyone claiming to meld the two with the most extreme of skeptecism.

PINK FAIRIES & DEVIANTS, ALSO HAWKWIND IN SOME WAY...!

I dont see any reason why punk and prog should be in contradiction, again genre tags are only invented by press to easily categorize music and sell it to the people.

Here is an example of "prog-punk":

"Amazon.co.uk Review
Cruelly denied the Number One slot when an administrative cock-up at the UK chart returns office credited thousands of album sales to The Police, 1979's The Raven--now re-issued with bonus tracks--found tuneful toughnuts The Stranglers striding purposefully away from the faltering punk scene with a renewed artistic agenda and a head full of hard drugs. A new direction and an overhauled musical vocabulary (gone was the growly bass and the organ, in came futuristic keyboard sounds, odd time signatures, intricate arrangements and extended instrumental passages) The Raven--as perennially acknowledged by the band's large and dutifully black-garbed cult following--is The Stranglers magnum opus. From the epic title-track--a questing, valorous Norse saga adorned by Dave Greenfield's wuthering Artic synths and sung in breathless fashion by JJ Burnel--to the quirky prog-rock science of "Genetix" (on which former biochemist Hugh Cornwell got to show-off his knowledge of pioneering 19th-century Austrian geneticist Gregor Mendel). The Raven was--and remains--enthrallingly fresh, musically daring and downright ominous. Paranoia abounds--there's the grimly pretty (but rather hypocritical) anti-heroin lament "Don't Bring Harry" and the helium-inhaling vocal freakinessof "Meninblack", a portentous slab of psychedelic lethargy detailing the existence of a black-suited extraterrestrial mafia. But there's pop too--"Duchess" (a Top 20 UK hit later covered by My Life Story) and the doleful "Baroque Bordello", a song almost compassionate and empathic compared to the leerier lyricisations of old but also featuring a keyboard intro which seemed to be cribbed from--of all things--"Inchworm" from the Danny Kaye film Hans Christian Anderson. Blame the drugs? Whatever reason, The Raven is The Stranglers' finest achievement." --Kevin Maidment

Blacksword wrote: Souxsie & the Banshees: Check out their albums Hyeana and Tinderbox. Definite prog elements on both. Brilliant albums from a rarely discussed band. Their 70's output was closer to raw ounk, but had elements of Curved Air. Souxsie was a big fan. KIlling Joke: Their albums 'Brighter than a thousand suns' and 'Outside the gate' in particular. The latter is arguably a prog rock album, and nothing to do with punk. PIL: The album 'Happy' which is sadly deleted now, had a very prog feel, especially the tracks 'Seattle' and 'Save me' Lydons fave band of all time was VDGG.

I'bve heard Johnny Rotten was very into Peter Hammill.  Was that the only prog he liked?

Crimson Prince wrote: Damn straight. Punk is all about politics and simplicity. Prog is for spirituality and texture; ability; and technique. Mixing the two is disasterous. Check out Green Day's 'punk opera' American Idiot. They are the idiots.

Since they don't play either punk or prog, it's barely an issue.

Reed Lover wrote: I guess, you should stop guessing.  Progressive Punk is as clear an oxymoron you are going to find in music.

Damn straight. Punk is all about politics and simplicity. Prog is for spirituality and texture; ability; and technique. Mixing the two is disasterous. Check out Green Day's 'punk opera' American Idiot. They are the idiots.

I think the closest you're gonna get to Prog-Punk is At the Drive-In.

Coheed and Cambria could be Considered as a "ProgPunk" With a Emo feel in it.

Thrice too could be considered a "ProgPunk" Band. They have a lot of technical riff in their music and use a awful lot the 5/4 time signature Still, it's a good band!

Borealis wrote: What about Instrumental Rap?

Hmm, there exists at least one (almost entirely)instrumental hip-hop track: Buckethead - Mausoleum Door.

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