Gildenlow Ticks Me Off

Avantgardehead wrote: infandous wrote: If Gildenlow was singing about this stuff and making money on it, but didn't actually believe any of it (but was selling it to people who did), THAT would be hypocrisy. This is where it becomes iffy since this is a concept album written from a fictitious character's point-of-view, so he might not believe any of it but he might. A bit of a gray area, I think.

Well listen to PoS's other albums, we know that he's pretty much anti- capitalist but Scarsick is just that much more extreme for the sake of the concept. Unless he's been BSing for more than 10 years streight in his albums and all over the web then we can safely assume that this isnt a grey area.

What I cant understand is your all or nothing attitude..

infandous wrote: If Gildenlow was singing about this stuff and making money on it, but didn't actually believe any of it (but was selling it to people who did), THAT would be hypocrisy.

This is where it becomes iffy since this is a concept album written from a fictitious character's point-of-view, so he might not believe any of it but he might. A bit of a gray area, I think.

WinterLight wrote: Avantgardehead wrote: It just seems hilariously hypocritical and pretentious to me. If I were all of the sudden anti-capitalist, I'd put all my music on my website to be freely downloaded. And you'd probably starve.

Obviously not since I have a job and other investments at the moment.

I don't dislike the album or the guy because he's "using his resources", it's just the irony of venomously damning selling things while turning around and selling things like music, politics, and sleaze that irks me.

I don't care what the message is in the album, or if it's merely supposed to be simply the opinions of a character from The Perfect Element. I don't care what kind of person Daniel is. I just care about the music as a whole. And frankly, it wasn't too good on Scarsick.

Edited by Moatilliatta - September 30 2008 at 22:18

Avantgardehead wrote: I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music.

How else is he supposed to get his message across? he and the entire world exists within the capitalistic system. Thats the way it works. i read a good quote by Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine who was defending the band selling records when their message was inherently anti-capitalistic. i cant find the interview but he says basically the same thing i did. Its the way things work right now.
No offense of course and i dont want to sound harsh, but i kinda find comments like that a little ignorant and arogant.

Avantgardehead wrote: He's also selling politics with Scarsick, which goes more directly against the concept than just selling music.

As I stated in my review of the album, its hard to put much belief into the political views asserted in the album when website entries are very self-congratulatory about reaching the top of European metal charts. I don't know, it just seems like sometimes the more steadfast someone is in their identity the more their identity crisis comes into sharp relief.  

Deathrabbit wrote: Off topic kinda call me cynical, but I really don't think there's a one to one correlation between voting and the state of the gov't. Democracy is basically just a ploy to keep people from rebelling by giving the illusion of choice. Maybe I've just seen too much X-Files, but I'm pretty sure behind every powerful gov't, there is a cigarette smoking man.

I'm not saying that the big corporations don't have a part in governmental business, but the people is much more important to a government than you may think. Since the American Revolution and the French Revolution the right of resistance against tyrannical governments is a basic right, defended even by the constitution. However, people don't mind a thing if their life is smooth and easygoing, no matter if there is people somewhere suffering so they can have comfort. That is why, in the past 20 years, there have been so few political problems between the citizens and their government, at least in the developed countries.

The TL;DR version: people will only move their asses if someone in the government screw up big time and, besides that, they are facing some crisis (like starvation, excessive taxes, natural disasters, etc).

sleeper wrote: ~Rael~ wrote:   Flower Kings came. . .   And Sleeper, I think he made a valid point.   I believe The Flower Kings spend a lot of their own money to get to the states and only play in certain places were they are confident of a sell out, or near as anyway. And no, I dont think Avantgardhead made a valid point, we all live in a monetry bassed economy, which means we have to pay for everything. That includes recording, producing, mixing and mastering a CD/DVD and they've got to recoupe the cost somehow, so they need to sell the album, especially since its InsideOut paying for it. Regardless of what people think of his stance on America, you cant acuse him of living in his own private world.

sleeper wrote: Avantgardehead wrote: I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music.  I find it hilarious the way people simplify things so much that what they say is pointless.

Same to you, buddy!

stonebeard wrote: Pain of salvation is not that big of a band. They don't have tons of cash to get on a plane, come to a country where their fanbase is spread out and they get harassed a airports. How can you blame them?