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M@X ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: January 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4075 |
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RE : thread disappearing too quickly from sight is a major problem
About the current thread, thanks to all for your thoughts and comments on the quality of the FORUM it will help us taking better and better decision regarding the re-vamp of the site and the forum. Your participation is really appreciated ! Thanks |
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maani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632 |
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Sean: Thank you for your suggestions, most of which I agree with. Note that many of them are being discussed by the admin group at this very moment. As hard as it may be to do, I ask you (and everyone else) to be patient. We are working on this particular issue at this time. Peace. |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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Maani , M@X and everyone else, This thing about thread disappearing too quickly from sight is a major problem for the kind of issue discussed here. I posted on three relatively obscure threads this morning around 9 AM , (Help with Zappa, Quebecois albums and Oregon) and by 11AM two out of those were on second page and it is now 2PM and all three are on second page with the first one halfway down. The Lard Free thread started by DB and to which I posted yesterday afternoon is now halfway down the third page. How do obscure band threads stand a chance?!?!?
In the meantime first page is polluted with reminder of 4 or 5 threads/subjects that have been moved because misplaced in the first place , but people keep posting (it is of course their right to do so) but those removed threads still clutter/pollute the Main Discussion. Could those signals/reminders to moved threads disappear quickly from the main discussion, and is there a possibility of increasing the number of threads visible on page 1? Page 2 , 3 and so on holds 20 threads whereas page 1 hold 13 of which 5 are removed threads . Thus leaving 8 threads on page1 of the Main Discussion. Also , must there be seven Important Topics - some of those (CivilityThreads) are important after all - , taking up so much place on page 1, and should there be seven of them, three or four of them locked? Could they not be placed on the Forum menu, instead of being repeated on page 1 of every sub-section? I do not know much about informatics and this "waste of space" (lack of better words as I write) may not be much in terms of bytes of memory, but it sure is in terms of screen space visible at one time. Hope something can be done quickly!!?!! Edited by Sean Trane |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Jim Garten ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
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This thread (I believe) has served a useful purpose; despite the occasional internal feuding/bickering/arguing that goes on, virtually all members have jumped to the defense of the Forum - as do I.
Yes, I have considered several times turning my back on it all (truth be told, quite a bit, recently), but at the end of the day, you know there will be those whose opinions you don't agree with, you know there are threads you won't enjoy - so you stay away from those. If you want to improve things, you start what you consider to be good threads, you respond positively to intelligent/funny/relevant posts, and ignore the trolls. Hey - it may be a sandbox at times, but it's our bloody sandbox, and we like being here... I can't remember who posted the comment earlier, but I'd repeat it - "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" Maani, M@X et al - ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by Jim Garten |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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Actually some (a good deal of them) reviewers have much more culture and knowledge than their numbers of reviews would have you believe. I tried many times to entice people to do more reviewing. So many group and album sections remain desperately empty of reviews. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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maani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632 |
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All: Speaking in my "official" capacity, I want to thank Easy Living for his observation. Although it is only one small part of the perceived problem, it would help if people understood where various threads should be started. Even when new categories are created after the re-vamp, this will not eliminate the problem of people starting threads in the wrong place. Simply stated, "Main Discussions" should be limited to discussions about prog rock: period. Not, as Easy points out, poor reviews, favorite beers, or even - much to your surprise, I'm sure - music other than prog. This is where it gets a bit tricky: discussions about music other than prog should go under "Discussions Not Related to Music" - for now. There will eventually be a new category for non-prog music discussions. However, in the meantime, "Discussions Not Related to Music" is the "catch-all" for non-prog-related discussions. However, not all non-prog threads go there. If you are discussing a particular album, the thread should be started under "Currently Listening To." If you are discussing upcoming or past band tours, music festivals, etc., the thread should be started under "Bands on Tour." If you are making an announcement about something - a site or mp3 link to check out, you just released an EP and want people to provide feedback, etc. - the thread should be started under "Announcements." (It's not rocket science, people, it just takes a little thought... Which brings me to another point. Because threads are being moved to their proper places (and because they should be started in those places), if members do not check out all possible categories - but only look at Main Discussions and Discussions Not Related to Music - they will miss interesting discussions that they might want to participate in. Again, this is admittedly only a part of the perceived problem. I will shortly be posting an "all forums announcement" regarding another aspect of this issue. Look for it in the next 24 hours. Peace. Edited by maani |
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greenback ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 14 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3300 |
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with most of members here having less than 100 reviews, you cannot ask them to agree to statements like "Citizen cain's serpents in camouflage sounds like marillion's script, and have the voice of peter gabriel or dave cousins!" anyway, you easily notice the lack of culture when you read the reviews. Edited by greenback |
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Peter ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
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One can make friends here too (Private Messages are a good venue), and then maybe trade the odd tune via email. Re "serious prog discussions," we said it all about a year ago. Too late!
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Ben2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 870 |
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![]() I've been a part of some really cruddy forums before, but this one is the busiest, and sometimes funniest, ones I've ever seen. Like gdub said, the archives are what turned me on to Gentle Giant and most of King Crimson. You would be much better off doing your research there instead of this insane asylum of a forum. ![]() |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Part of the problem is that the forum has become so busy. Good threads can quickly (within a day) disappear to two or three pages down the list because others are updated later. This should be addressed to some extent by the revamp of the forum, which is currently being worked on. Forum members could however help by making sure they start new threads in the right sections. The main discussions are ONLY for taking about prog, not about members who have been barred, poor reviews, favourite beers, etc. Some members seem only to look at the main discussions, and put little thought into which section their thread should be in. There's a lot more discussion to explore elsewhere in the forum too. |
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gdub411 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484 |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Aaron take my word, this is one of the better ones. I've been on others where the correspondents are so fixed with their narrowminded opinions, that when they reply, they wish you physical damage for daring to express anything contrite and not at all polite. Sure this one could do with a through spring clean (yes already!), for instance having as serious section devoted to serious discussions (and monitored to toss out mindless comments at the earliest moment) and in passing, have the Main Discussion section freed up of f***ing (irrelevant) polls. In fact why not isolate polls into a standalone section - then perhaps it will easier to see wood from trees, and maybe we will suffer less of duplicate polls (in fact vocal polls had been quadruplicated in the last 30 days) or better still not accidently open them. |
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arkitek ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 289 |
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Prog archives is the One and Only
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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I think I can understand what Aaron meant, although it was wrongly stated. Most threads that are successfull thread-wise are about the groups that everyone knows about ELP, Rush , DT, Genesis ,Moody Blues, Yes etc..... When I made my Genesis reformation thread for April's fool, in less than 10 minutes some 80 people had viewed the thread (only 2 posted answers) . This means that people are not curious enough to investigate threads talking about bands other than the ones they know. Of course , one can only discuss what one knows, and not everyone has the advantage of a huge media public library such as the one I have at my disposal, but I think that people have a reticence to discover other stuff than that they know unless it closely resembles what they already know. My idea of spending time on the Archives is roughly 60% of it in the database section of the Archives (you know that purple , black & orange box at the top of the main forum page), writing review , reading other's reviews susceptible to making me discover new bands. The other 40% of the times for the forum and private messages. Some people I feel are spending 95% of their times in the Archives roaming around in the forum, picking fights and spend the other 5% of that time checking if noone is sl*gging off their fave artists . I cannot figure out the last time I went on the yes section, since I know almost everything to know. There are threads that are completely forgotten by people such as Oregon thread, Forever Einstein etc.... What Aaron might be wishing for is threads about less known bands (there are some.... but maybe in the last year four threads about Caravan - sad for such absolute masters of Canterbury) and I feel thast DallasBryan is also frustrated about this. To tell you the truth , I am a little too. We need another two Dick Heath , another Easy, a more patient Dallas, a more curteous KE9 etc....to make longer and interesting posts about subjects that are out of the beatten paths. I am also guilty but I used to print some threads to read away from the computer because they were damn interesting. Lately, my printing machine has been very quiet. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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I bloody well can.So the "mudslinging" is not to your taste....deal with it.It's only people letting off steam-this is supposed to be entertainment right? Just as some people wouldnt consider ELP entertainment,or Tangerine Dream etc some of us like a good ole ruck now and again.Anyone who takes it too seriously is over-sensitive in my view.Posts like this just reinforce the perception thaProg Rock lovers are a bunch of nerdy humourless loners.If you cant stand the banter then dont join in! Oh and dont go outside your house -you might get picked on! Analyse this: of course good natured debate helps the forum WTF does that actually mean "help the forum"???? Stop talking like a twerp! |
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Rob The Good ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 17 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 476 |
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I'll tell you what I want to hear more of, and that's concert anecdotes (from the 70s please)! Being only a precious little 18-year-old, I have never been to a rock concert. I missed out on Deep Purple & Roxy Music last year...so few decent bands come to New Zealand!
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Prog_Bassist ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 830 |
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I enjoy this forum for the most part.
I find it's better here to express your opinions (because the other forum I go to, "Cblocals" (which is a forum for underground local band of cape breton, my home.), I can't express my opinions about different bands and prog rock and such, because it is full of idiots that think kurt cobain is a musical genius, and they snap at me for making posts about prog music and go on huge rants about how prog is boring and that talent doesn't mean sh*t as long as you can write good music (which I find stupid, because the bands around there are both untalented, AND can't write good music ![]() |
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gdub411 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484 |
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The problem is that , for us oldtimers, we have seen many of the topics covered, over and over again....really all there is left to talk about is a lot of tripe. The forums to me is more of a social playground where i can play with the other progladytes..I actually use the archives when I am researching REAL information. I suggest you do the same. Now Aaron, come back and play in the progressive rock sandbox with me...I'm building pretty sand castles.
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Sweetnighter ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1298 |
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Oh of course, naturally people are going to have more to say about those groups... thats why I suggested having the mods and other prog vets sponsor some more interesting conversation about lesser known bands. And Reed Lover, of course good natured debate helps the forum, I totally agree, but when it becomes worthless mudslinging, in the case of some recent topics, such as those related to ELP, it doesn't truly benefit anybody. You can't argue with that... |
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