i want to read a forum that actually is about prog music, not what bands are prog or not, or threads about yes, elp, and pink floyd, i want a forum that could potentially get me into lesser known bands or raises discussion on our music, not hate discussion of why this or that sucks

sure i could start threads like these, but i am a better reader than poster, plus i have only been listening to prog for two years

so seriously, is there a better prog rock forum out there? because this one is turning into sh*t

Aaron

The ship is sinking.... and the band plays on!

What will you do?  Scramble for the boats or play the violin until the bitter end!

I think he meant being able to discuss lesser known bands, not just read more reviews about them.

If you think this forum is sh*t - just wait until you go anywhere else...

Besides, we won't miss non-contributative lurkers and readers .

Manunkind wrote: PM me when you find one, OK, Aaron?

Sorry, but it needed to be said. I think Aaron's right. And besides, just to restate it, I quit. Not because of anything anyone here said, but because I really need to concentrate on my private life now. Best of everything to you all.

See you in a week or so then, Manunkind!

Did I ever mention that this place is like a certain Hotel...?

Aaron:

Your post is blatantly hypocritical: if you really think this site and its forums are ****, why bother placing your post at all?  Why not simply ignore the site and move on?

Seems like there is something else at work here...

Peace.

Certif1ed wrote: Besides, we won't miss non-contributative lurkers and readers .

Agreed. If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.

This is the best prog rock site/forum on the web...period!!

If you want better topics, then post a thread...and don't lay out that nonsense that you're a better reader....you created this thread....didn't ya?

Sweetnighter wrote: Manunkind wrote: Manunkind wrote: PM me when you find one, OK, Aaron? Sorry, but it needed to be said. I think Aaron's right. And besides, just to restate it, I quit. Not because of anything anyone here said, but because I really need to concentrate on my private life now. Best of everything to you all. I concur. I would like to see discussion on some rare groups. Although I'm certainly not claiming to be a know it all, I feel quite familiar with Yes, Rush, Genesis, Floyd, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf, the groups that come up all the time! And trust me, I love those groups... but I'd love to have some expansion upon that. I don't think jumping ship is the correct course of action, rather, that we need to alter our approach. I would love to see the mods jump in a little more often and steer conversation in the right direction. I'm tired of all the bickering... and I don't care if its done by newcomers or people who have thousands and thousands of posts, it needs to stop. What we have to keep in mind is that prospective prog fans read this forum, and we want to leave a good impression on them!

Sweetnighter.i posted upteen posts in the past regarding prot-prog band but got slated..This is my stable but if people don't wanna know well tough..This is where my know how & collection/intrest lie.

Certif1ed wrote: See you in a week or so then, Manunkind!  I ever mention that this place is like a certain Hotel...?

You still want those 'Catapilla' albums?

Sweetnighter wrote: Manunkind wrote: Manunkind wrote: PM me when you find one, OK, Aaron? Sorry, but it needed to be said. I think Aaron's right. And besides, just to restate it, I quit. Not because of anything anyone here said, but because I really need to concentrate on my private life now. Best of everything to you all. I concur. I would like to see discussion on some rare groups. Although I'm certainly not claiming to be a know it all, I feel quite familiar with Yes, Rush, Genesis, Floyd, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf, the groups that come up all the time! And trust me, I love those groups... but I'd love to have some expansion upon that. I don't think jumping ship is the correct course of action, rather, that we need to alter our approach. I would love to see the mods jump in a little more often and steer conversation in the right direction. I'm tired of all the bickering... and I don't care if its done by newcomers or people who have thousands and thousands of posts, it needs to stop. What we have to keep in mind is that prospective prog fans read this forum, and we want to leave a good impression on them!

Talk about whatever you want and people are interested enough to want to contribute they will.If you see REAL bickering on this forum you are either younger than your profile suggests or very touchy!Having a right old difference of opinion is what lifts the mood of the forum,the one's who see victims and aggression and bullying should get out in the real world a bit more!
Ehh,f**king kids today! In my day.........

There is no other than the archives, I'm sorry to inform you.  All the others gave up. 

You didn't get the memo?  Progarchives is your #1 prog resource.

Wizard/TRueStar wrote: There is no other than the archives, I'm sorry to inform you.  All the others gave up.  You didn't get the memo?  Progarchives is your #1 prog resource.

Damn right Wizzer!!

Sweetnighter wrote: Manunkind wrote: Manunkind wrote: PM me when you find one, OK, Aaron? Sorry, but it needed to be said. I think Aaron's right. And besides, just to restate it, I quit. Not because of anything anyone here said, but because I really need to concentrate on my private life now. Best of everything to you all. I concur. I would like to see discussion on some rare groups. Although I'm certainly not claiming to be a know it all, I feel quite familiar with Yes, Rush, Genesis, Floyd, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf, the groups that come up all the time! And trust me, I love those groups... but I'd love to have some expansion upon that. I don't think jumping ship is the correct course of action, rather, that we need to alter our approach. I would love to see the mods jump in a little more often and steer conversation in the right direction. I'm tired of all the bickering... and I don't care if its done by newcomers or people who have thousands and thousands of posts, it needs to stop. What we have to keep in mind is that prospective prog fans read this forum, and we want to leave a good impression on them!

There are people trying to discuss obscure bands, but since few people know them, their topics get inevitably covered up by those related to Rush, Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc, simply because we all know about those bands.

The problem is that , for us oldtimers, we have seen many of the topics covered, over and over again....really all there is left to talk about is a lot of tripe.

The forums to me is more of a social playground where i can play with the other progladytes..I actually use the archives when I am researching REAL information. I suggest you do the same.

Now Aaron, come back and play in the progressive rock sandbox with me...I'm building pretty sand castles.

Sweetnighter wrote:   And Reed Lover, of course good natured debate helps the forum, I totally agree, but when it becomes worthless mudslinging, in the case of some recent topics, such as those related to ELP, it doesn't truly benefit anybody. You can't argue with that...

I bloody well can.So the "mudslinging" is not to your taste....deal with it.It's only people letting off steam-this is supposed to be entertainment right? Just as some people wouldnt consider ELP entertainment,or Tangerine Dream etc some of us like a good ole ruck now and again.Anyone who takes it too seriously is over-sensitive in my view.Posts like this just reinforce the perception thaProg Rock lovers are a bunch of nerdy humourless loners.If you cant stand the banter then dont join in! Oh and dont go outside your house -you might get picked on!

Analyse this:

of course good natured debate helps the forum

WTF does that actually mean "help the forum"????

Stop talking like a twerp!

I think I can understand what Aaron meant, although it was wrongly stated.

Most threads that are successfull thread-wise are about the groups that everyone knows about ELP, Rush , DT, Genesis ,Moody Blues, Yes etc..... When I made my Genesis reformation thread for April's fool, in less than 10 minutes some 80 people had viewed the thread (only 2 posted answers) .

This means that people are not curious enough to investigate threads talking about bands other than the ones they know. Of course , one can only discuss what one knows, and not everyone has the advantage of a huge media public library such as the one I have at my disposal, but I think that people have a reticence to discover other stuff than that they know unless it closely resembles what they already know.

My idea of spending time on the Archives is roughly 60% of it in the database section of the Archives (you know that purple , black & orange box at the top of the main forum page), writing review , reading other's reviews susceptible to making me discover new bands. The other 40% of the times for the forum and private messages. Some people I feel are spending 95% of their times in the Archives roaming around in the forum, picking fights and spend the other 5% of that time checking if noone is sl*gging off their fave artists . I cannot figure out the last time I went on the yes section, since I know almost everything to know.

There are threads that are completely forgotten by people such as Oregon thread, Forever Einstein etc.... What Aaron might be wishing for is threads about less known bands (there are some.... but maybe in the last year four threads about Caravan - sad for such absolute masters of Canterbury)  and I feel thast DallasBryan is also frustrated about this. To tell you the truth , I am a little too. We need another two Dick Heath , another Easy, a more patient Dallas, a more curteous KE9 etc....to make longer and interesting posts about subjects that are out of the beatten paths.

I am also guilty but I used to print some threads to read away from the computer because they were damn interesting. Lately, my printing machine has been very quiet.

Aaron wrote: i want to read a forum that actually is about prog music, not what bands are prog or not, or threads about yes, elp, and pink floyd, i want a forum that could potentially get me into lesser known bands or raises discussion on our music, not hate discussion of why this or that sucks Aaron

Aaron take my word, this is one of the better ones. I've been on others where the correspondents are so fixed with their narrowminded opinions, that when  they reply, they wish you physical damage for daring to express anything contrite and not at all polite. Sure this one could do with a through spring clean (yes already!), for instance having as serious section devoted to serious discussions (and monitored to toss out mindless comments at the earliest moment) and in passing,  have the Main Discussion section freed up  of f***ing (irrelevant) polls. In fact why not isolate polls into a standalone section - then perhaps it will easier to see wood from trees,  and maybe we will suffer less of duplicate polls (in fact vocal polls had been quadruplicated in the last 30 days) or better still  not accidently open them.

Eddy wrote: Aaron wrote: i want to read a forum that actually is about prog music, not what bands are prog or not, or threads about yes, elp, and pink floyd, i want a forum that could potentially get me into lesser known bands or raises discussion on our music, not hate discussion of why this or that sucks sure i could start threads like these, but i am a better reader than poster, plus i have only been listening to prog for two years so seriously, is there a better prog rock forum out there? because this one is turning into sh*t Aaron when this site first was up, i bet it was very seroius, but now, weve probly covered all the big prog issus. i came in, and it was already getting crazy(it could be partilly my fault, but more likly it was gdub!)

I'll take my lumps and except some of the blame but don't heap most of it on me when this forum has other rascals like Reed Lover ,Velvetclown,Karnevil9, and Rob The Plant to name but a few. Heck, my posting on this site has gone WAY down in the last couple months.

Part of the problem is that the forum has become so busy. Good threads can quickly (within a day) disappear to two or three pages down the list because others are updated later.

This should be addressed to some extent by the revamp of the forum, which is currently being worked on.

Forum members could however help by making sure they start new threads in the right sections. The main discussions are ONLY for taking about prog, not about members who have been barred, poor reviews, favourite beers, etc. Some members seem only to look at the main discussions, and put little thought into which section their thread should be in. There's a lot more discussion to explore elsewhere in the forum too.

I'm with Gdub -- The Archives for info, the Forums for entertainment, and mercilessly teasing like-minded lifeless losers.

One can make friends here too (Private Messages are a good venue), and then maybe trade the odd tune via email.

Re "serious prog discussions," we said it all about a year ago. Too late!

Want to talk about a very obscure band? The only problem is, the three other people who have the album may not be Forum members, or may be unable to write coherently due to years of ingesting the powerful hallucinogens needed to "understand" the music....

with most of members here having less than 100 reviews, you cannot ask them to agree to statements like "Citizen cain's serpents in camouflage sounds like marillion's script, and have the voice of peter gabriel or dave cousins!"

anyway, you easily notice the lack of culture when you read the reviews.

All:

Speaking in my "official" capacity, I want to thank Easy Living for his observation.  Although it is only one small part of the perceived problem, it would help if people understood where various threads should be started.  Even when new categories are created after the re-vamp, this will not eliminate the problem of people starting threads in the wrong place.

Simply stated, "Main Discussions" should be limited to discussions about prog rock: period.  Not, as Easy points out, poor reviews, favorite beers, or even - much to your surprise, I'm sure - music other than prog.  This is where it gets a bit tricky: discussions about music other than prog should go under "Discussions Not Related to Music" - for now.  There will eventually be a new category for non-prog music discussions.  However, in the meantime, "Discussions Not Related to Music" is the "catch-all" for non-prog-related discussions.

However, not all non-prog threads go there.  If you are discussing a particular album, the thread should be started under "Currently Listening To."  If you are discussing upcoming or past band tours, music festivals, etc., the thread should be started under "Bands on Tour."  If you are making an announcement about something - a site or mp3 link to check out, you just released an EP and want people to provide feedback, etc. - the thread should be started under "Announcements."  (It's not rocket science, people, it just takes a little thought...)  As you may have noticed, I have started to be more active in moving threads to their proper places - and it's not always "Discussions Not Related to Music."

Which brings me to another point.  Because threads are being moved to their proper places (and because they should be started in those places), if members do not check out all possible categories - but only look at Main Discussions and Discussions Not Related to Music - they will miss interesting discussions that they might want to participate in.

Again, this is admittedly only a part of the perceived problem.  I will shortly be posting an "all forums announcement" regarding another aspect of this issue.  Look for it in the next 24 hours.

Peace.

greenback wrote: with most of members here having less than 100 reviews, you cannot ask them to agree to statements like "Citizen cain's serpents in camouflage sounds like marillion's script, and have the voice of peter gabriel or dave cousins!" anyway, you easily notice the lack of culture when you read the reviews.

Actually some (a good deal of them) reviewers have much more culture and knowledge than their numbers of reviews would have you believe. I tried many times to entice people to do more reviewing. So many group and album sections remain desperately empty of reviews.

Easy Livin wrote: Part of the problem is that the forum has become so busy. Good threads can quickly (within a day) disappear to two or three pages down the list because others are updated later. This should be addressed to some extent by the revamp of the forum, which is currently being worked on. Forum members could however help by making sure they start new threads in the right sections. The main discussions are ONLY for taking about prog, not about members who have been barred, poor reviews, favourite beers, etc. Some members seem only to look at the main discussions, and put little thought into which section their thread should be in. There's a lot more discussion to explore elsewhere in the forum too.

Maani , mailto:M@X - M@X and everyone else,

This thing about thread disappearing too quickly from sight is a major problem for the kind of issue discussed here. I posted on three relatively obscure threads this morning around 9 AM , (Help with Zappa, Quebecois albums and Oregon) and by 11AM two out of those were on second page and it is now 2PM and all three are on second page with the first one halfway down.

The Lard Free thread started by DB and to which I posted yesterday afternoon is now halfway down the third page. How do obscure band threads stand a chance?!?!?

In the meantime first page is polluted with reminder of 4 or 5 threads/subjects that have been moved because misplaced in the first place , but people keep posting (it is of course their right to do so) but those removed threads still clutter/pollute the Main Discussion.

Could those signals/reminders to moved threads disappear quickly from the main discussion, and is there a possibility of increasing the number of threads visible on page 1? Page 2 , 3 and so on holds 20 threads whereas page 1 hold 13 of which 5 are removed threads . Thus leaving 8 threads on page1 of the  Main Discussion. 

Also , must there be seven Important Topics - some of those (CivilityThreads) are important after all -  , taking up so much place on page 1, and should there be seven of them, three or four of them locked? Could they not be placed on the Forum menu, instead of being repeated on page 1 of  every sub-section? I do not know much about informatics and this "waste of space" (lack of better words as I write) may not be much in terms of bytes of memory, but it sure is in terms of screen space visible at one time.

Hope something can be done quickly!!?!!

Sean:

Thank you for your suggestions, most of which I agree with.  Note that many of them are being discussed by the admin group at this very moment.

As hard as it may be to do, I ask you (and everyone else) to be patient.  We are working on this particular issue at this time.

Peace.

RE : thread disappearing too quickly from sight is a major problem
Quoted by Sean Trane

I  increased yesterday the numbers of posts per pages.
Do you observe any differences guys ?

About the current thread, thanks to all for your thoughts and comments on the quality of the FORUM it will help us taking better and better decision regarding the re-vamp of the site and the forum.

Your participation is really appreciated !

Thanks