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Posted: July 08 2007 at 20:02 |
 darqdean wrote:
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Mandrakeroot wrote:
But I prefer Johann Sebastian Bach!!! |
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Is that JS Bach, the famous Russian composer? Or are Stravinsky and Tchaikovsky now German , along with Mussorgsky, Rimsky-Korsakov and Prokofiev    |
yeah, I know that bringing Bach into the conversation came a little bit out of nowhere  ... but anyways, he's the Master.
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Posted: July 08 2007 at 19:52 |
The T wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
But I prefer Johann Sebastian Bach!!! |
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Is that JS Bach, the famous Russian composer? Or are Stravinsky and Tchaikovsky now German , along with Mussorgsky, Rimsky-Korsakov and Prokofiev
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Posted: July 08 2007 at 19:39 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
But I prefer Johann Sebastian Bach!!! |
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Posted: July 08 2007 at 14:34 |
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But I prefer Johann Sebastian Bach!!!
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 23:29 |
Cesar Inca wrote:
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A tough call as both are great, but I have to go with Tchaikovsky because at heart I am a Romantic. 
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In his last Symphony (No. 6), he could also go for subtle, sombre moods, as in the sustained ending section for its 4th Movement. If in the 3rd Movementy he celebrated a life of joy, the 4th and last movement was a lament for what seems the approaching of death. And yes, he died a few months after the premiere.
Kudos for Stravinsky, too!... but i vote for Tchaikovsky.
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According to a letter Tachikovsky wrote to his brother, Patetica (Symphony No. 6) was the thing he loved the most, his whole soul has in it... and it´s quite true, in some parts you can certainly feel his pain and depression... Now, how poetic is that? To kill yourself after having composed your best work. I know thats not why he killed himself (well... maybe yes, who knows for sure?) but it seems he asked himself "where to go now? what can I do now that I have made the best music I can?". To kill yourself because you have achieved "perfection"... wow... now thats poetic!
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 22:19 |
thellama73 wrote:
A tough call as both are great, but I have to go with Tchaikovsky because at heart I am a Romantic.
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In his last Symphony (No. 6), he could also go for subtle, sombre moods, as in the sustained ending section for its 4th Movement. If in the 3rd Movementy he celebrated a life of joy, the 4th and last movement was a lament for what seems the approaching of death. And yes, he died a few months after the premiere.
Kudos for Stravinsky, too!... but i vote for Tchaikovsky.
Kind regards.
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 16:57 |
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I don't know enough about either composer to vote, but I'll say this - Tchaikovsky's music may sound cheesy only because of the abuse it has suffered at the hands of mass culture. It's certainly not inherently cheesy. |
Though I may seem to have said the exact opposite earlier, I think you are quite right. I have heard many wonderful Tschaikovsky pieces but the more well-known works of his irritate me a bit, though I can still enjoy them. You're absolutely correct about the abuse of mass culture making this great work ...umm...seem...cheesy. I didn't mean to criticise the great master Tchaikovsky. He was a genius and composed much great music. It's simply a question of taste prefering Stravinsky over Tchaikovsky.
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 13:33 |
It's creepy to see people agreeing with me, for a change...
And thanks for the sig
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 13:16 |
The T wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
I don't know enough about either composer to vote, but I'll say this - Tchaikovsky's music may sound cheesy only because of the abuse it has suffered at the hands of mass culture. It's certainly not inherently cheesy. |
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I agree 100%... no, make it 127%!!!
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 12:56 |
Visitor13 wrote:
I don't know enough about either composer to vote, but I'll say this - Tchaikovsky's music may sound cheesy only because of the abuse it has suffered at the hands of mass culture. It's certainly not inherently cheesy. |
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 12:01 |
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I don't know enough about either composer to vote, but I'll say this - Tchaikovsky's music may sound cheesy only because of the abuse it has suffered at the hands of mass culture. It's certainly not inherently cheesy.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 20:07 |
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 19:43 |
Stravinsky is genius, definitely him.
I enjoy Tchaikovsky but he just doesn't offer as much Stravinsky.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:17 |
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The "Rites of Spring" are incredibly wild music; one might say (tongue in cheek) this piece of music was the first prog rock ever.
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Imagine the premiere of The Rite, it actually must've felt like a prog-rock concert! There were angry reactions, people almost rioting because of the savage, then-uncomprehensible, violent, ultra-rhythmical music. |
That seems more punk than prog to me  Honegger is great too Friede!!!
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 13:59 |
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 13:03 |
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The "Rites of Spring" are incredibly wild music; one might say (tongue in cheek) this piece of music was the first prog rock ever.
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Imagine the premiere of The Rite, it actually must've felt like a prog-rock concert! There were angry reactions, people almost rioting because of the savage, then-uncomprehensible, violent, ultra-rhythmical music.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 12:59 |
My mistake in how I said it... By more I meant more big music, orchestral-piano music, not only piano music... that's why i mentioned his piano concertos.....of course, of piano solo music he has a lot, but his concertos, his symphonic poems... he's an "underrated" master, to use a typical PA term... 
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 06:58 |
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Stravinsky for me. The four reasons given (Rites of Spring, Firebird, Pulcinella, Petrushka), as well as "The Soldier's Tale", do it for me. Of Tchaikovski I especially like the "Cappriccio Italien" and his Piano Concerto No. 1, also his violin concerto which was rejected as "unplayable" by Leopold Auer, the violonist it was written for (though later in his life he did play it). The premiere of the concerto had to be delayed for two years until Adolph Brodsky finally played it on stage fior the first time. But on the whole it is Stravinsky for me. Arthur Honegger once called his "Rites of Spring" the "atom bomb of music", and there is something to it. The "Rites of Spring" are incredibly wild music; one might say (tongue in cheek) this piece of music was the first prog rock ever.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 06:36 |
I once heard a discourse that broke down the Rite of Spring into its seperate motifs and then pieced them back together to show how the music paints a picture and tells a story. Utterly facinating. I like Stravinsly's twelve-tone pieces too.
Tchaikovsky is the best to listen to at open-air proms, (with fireworks & cannons!), but for listening to at home I choose Stravinsky every time.
Edited by darqdean - July 02 2007 at 06:59
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 05:58 |
BroSpence wrote:
4 reasons why Stravinski is the man:
Petrushka
Firebird suite
Rite of Spring
Pulcinella suite
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I agree with this 4 reasons, although I respect and like Tchaikovsky as well.
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