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yesfan88 
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Posted: October 01 2006 at 10:17 |
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Personally, I think you've rated the Strawbs too low. Grave New World and Hero and Heroine are solid four-star albums.
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 22:00 |
Okay, that's cleared up. 
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 20:50 |
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nothing really, I have several people that have inquired about knowledge of international bands, so I thought I might put it out there to help others to select a few good ones before they dig deep in there pockets to find shells in the sand. and a help for those that are curious about obscure stuff and how it might compare generally to well known or better classics.
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 20:00 |
I have an honest question. What are you trying to prove with these posts?
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salmacis
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 17:39 |
Can I just state that I did not nominate any of those albums I mention for inclusion here... Just an observation of albums that went beyond the folk parameters that led to the prog/acid folk genre in reply to Dick Heath's observation about proto prog folk albums. I think some probably now think I'm going to start a poll to include Bob Dylan and Bert Jansch....
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 15:51 |
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Not that I see much "folk" there in those PA-deemed "folk & related" (whatever)discs, but FOLK DOES NOT BELONG HERE.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 14:01 |
 salmacis wrote:
Umm...let me think- proto prog folk.... I guess Al Stewart's 'Love Chronicles', The Incredible String Band's 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter', Pentangle's first 4 albums, something by Davy Graham, John Renbourn, perhaps Bert Jansch's 'Jack Orion' (Jimmy Page ransacked this album something rotten!), 'Nicola' (augmenting folk with strings though Jansch hates the album I think) and 'Birthday Blues', Buffalo Springfield's second album, Crosby, Stills and Nash's debut, The Byrds' 'Fifth Dimension' (experimenting with folk rock/world music/jazz), Tim Buckley's 'Goodbye and Hello' and 'Happy/Sad', Donovan's 'Sunshine Superman', Roy Harper's 'Folkjokeopus'(an early near side long track in 'McGoohan's Blues'- a paean to Patrick McGoohan perhaps?), Jefferson Airplane's debut and 'Surrealistic Pillow' (though there's a lot of psych here), Bob Dylan's 'Blonde On Blonde' (perhaps- had a side long track), The Band's 'Music From Big Pink' (inspired musicians like Clapton etc to go back to roots music), Nick Drake's 'Five Leaves Left' and 'Bryter Layter' (lots of ornate orchestrations).
I'll think of a few more in due course... |
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salmacis
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 11:11 |
Umm...let me think- proto prog folk.... I guess Al Stewart's 'Love Chronicles', The Incredible String Band's 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter', Pentangle's first 4 albums, something by Davy Graham, John Renbourn, perhaps Bert Jansch's 'Jack Orion' (Jimmy Page ransacked this album something rotten!), 'Nicola' (augmenting folk with strings though Jansch hates the album I think) and 'Birthday Blues', Buffalo Springfield's second album, Crosby, Stills and Nash's debut, The Byrds' 'Fifth Dimension' (experimenting with folk rock/world music/jazz), Tim Buckley's 'Goodbye and Hello' and 'Happy/Sad', Donovan's 'Sunshine Superman', Roy Harper's 'Folkjokeopus'(an early near side long track in 'McGoohan's Blues'- a paean to Patrick McGoohan perhaps?), Jefferson Airplane's debut and 'Surrealistic Pillow' (though there's a lot of psych here), Bob Dylan's 'Blonde On Blonde' (perhaps- had a side long track), The Band's 'Music From Big Pink' (inspired musicians like Clapton etc to go back to roots music), Nick Drake's 'Five Leaves Left' and 'Bryter Layter' (lots of ornate orchestrations).
I'll think of a few more in due course...
Edited by salmacis - September 22 2006 at 11:12
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:58 |
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Perhaps it is me trying interpret on the basis of examples, and getting nowhere. However, anybody up to developing a separate 'proto-folk prog' thread, or should that be 'photo frog pork'
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 09:53 |
salmacis wrote:
I think the title of the thread is meant to be a melange of proto prog, prog folk and prog related, Dick. |
seemed evident to me also , but apparently Dick is not the onluy one confused over this, right Olivier?
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prefer the sink to the gutter
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salmacis
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:45 |
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I think the title of the thread is meant to be a melange of proto prog, prog folk and prog related, Dick.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:33 |
Pro-prog Folk??
Deeply troubled by the terminology and bands listed.
Why isn't, for example, a classic 60's mix of folk and hippydom such as Arlo Guthrie's Alice Restaurant listed? Or even Dovovan , who had many compositions covered by many a prog band......
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:06 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
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From the Witchwood is a fabulous album, imho!
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:04 |
DallasBryan wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Pierrot Lunaire and APP folk related?  Another odd list, Mr Dallas! |
not my choices as to Prog Related, Prog Folk and Proto Prog, just used the categories as supplied by the ProgArchives.  |
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Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - September 22 2006 at 07:06
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:38 |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:34 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Pierrot Lunaire and APP folk related? 
Another odd list, Mr Dallas!
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not my choices as to Prog Related, Prog Folk and Proto Prog, just used the categories as supplied by the ProgArchives.
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:01 |
Another recent high rating for Delirium III !!! What a wonderful album!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:50 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Pierrot Lunaire and APP folk related?
Another odd list, Mr Dallas!
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APP is actually in prog related and if you look at Bryan's title it mixes proto, related and folk prog. This explaining that!!
Pierrot Lunaire is is in prog folk because of its Schoenberg (12 dances and stuff) and Tarantella influences .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:40 |
Originally posted by Sean Trane
I think Tony Fisher will think that you and I are the same person after reading this your post >> although you might want to re-listen to Strawbs' Collection Of Antioque And Curios.Oh no. I've become mini Sean. How embarrassing. (Will re-listen) BTW: How can you be so coldhearted and give Kate Bush's wonderfully charming debut **, Bryan? Is because its not prog?
Edited by Rocktopus - September 22 2006 at 05:53
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:39 |
Pierrot Lunaire and APP folk related?
Another odd list, Mr Dallas!
Edited by oliverstoned - September 22 2006 at 05:40
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