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WaywardSon 
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 Topic: Why do Asia get 'dissed'?
Posted: August 03 2006 at 07:10 |
If we had to leave only the pure prog bands in the archives there would hardly be any members.
Thank God for bands like Kansas!!
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Teaflax
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Posted: August 03 2006 at 04:58 |
 mgallard wrote:
Some people just take a posture and never change (I'll leave that
for when I am 120 years old). This reminds me of the less-than-informed
individual that said somewhere here on PA that Kansas as AOR... just
because he heard "Dust in the Wind" somewhere sometime on the radio
doesn't make "Point of Know Return" AOR!!  Just plain stupid.
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I don't know what's stupid about actually listening to the content of the songs,
rather than just looking at the overall structure. Their instrumental
trickery notwithstanding, as soon as there are vocals in a Kansas song
(and at other times as well), it's AOR or Rock n Roll - or occasionally
even Country - all the way. Just like an equally heavy dose of Tango,
Metal or Reggae in a band's sound should place them firmly in a
subgenre, Kansas should not be counted as a pure Prog band.
If you come to Prog as an escape from the overused and all-pervasive
conventions of regular Rock, there is pretty much no way you could like
Kansas other than as a curio that weds some minor innovation and
exploration to tradition, conservatism and retrogressive songwriting.
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verslibre
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Posted: August 03 2006 at 02:11 |
con safo wrote:
cause they suck
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mgallard
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 12:52 |
con safo wrote:
cause they suck
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Very enlightened comments (not!)  Asia are good, first record marks an epoch for me, plus was the first LP I ever bought, the next album was so-so, I have the whole collection and enjoy them from time to time, skip a song here and there. Some people just take a posture and never change (I'll leave that for when I am 120 years old). This reminds me of the less-than-informed individual that said somewhere here on PA that Kansas as AOR... just because he heard "Dust in the Wind" somewhere sometime on the radio doesn't make "Point of Know Return" AOR!! Just plain stupid. Mogens
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Teaflax
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 01:07 |
Thyme Traveler wrote:
Scritti Politti makes Asia sound like Gentle Giant. |
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more modulations in the first track off the new Scritti album than on
the entire first vinyl side of Asia's debut - and there's certainly not
a whit of simple Blues/Rock cadence, which is featured in abundance in
most of Asia's oeuvre.
Nice try, but sadly uninformed.
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con safo
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:07 |
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cause they suck
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Thyme Traveler
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:07 |
robertplantowns wrote:
Teaflax wrote:
Why not? It's AOR; music made to pour out of your radio without offense and nestle in your brain stem with its simple, familiar and repetitive songs. It deserves no less scorn than all other mass-marketed music that doesn't challenge the listener in any way
I don't think they get singled out for more mainstream abuse than others of their ilk.
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Take it from somebody whose top artist for the week is THOM YORKE, who of course does not write simple, familiar or repetitive songs. (yes i've heard his solo album)
Talk about subjectivity!
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Not to mention "Scritti Politti."
Scritti Politti makes Asia sound like Gentle Giant.
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Fire up the flux capacitor ! We're taking this Delorean through all four dimensions.
What is the future of prog ? Genesis reunion ? I'm not telling!That could upset the thyme/space continuum.
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:50 |
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Becasue People know them as 80s pop one hit wonder "Heat of the Moment." They are unaware of the fact that there are four progressive rock titians in the group, Their self-titled debut is actually a good album, perhaps their best. Silent Notation is utterly horrible.
Edited by Asyte2c00 - July 28 2006 at 17:51
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Liquid Len
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:40 |
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Too 80's sounding and to be honest considering the constituent parts, very disappointing output.
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Can you tell me where my country lies?
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 14:19 |
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The 80's were a bad decade for music in general. Asia just doesn't hold anyone's real interest, that's all.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Drew
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 14:06 |
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Who shelled out the disses?
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mystic fred
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 14:04 |
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TOD KREMER
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 02:19 |
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I have tickets to see them in September at a small club. I am not expecting much prog but I am expecting a good time hearing some of my idols play together. I am glad they are touring. Yes, they are one of the biggest disappointments in prog history but they did have a sound, the place will be packed. I will, no doubt, spill my beer as I pound my fist in the air to the opening keyboard strains of "Heat Of The Moment". And I will make no apologies.
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Stand up to the blow that fate has struck upon you. Make the most of all you still have coming to you...
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A B Negative
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 10:19 |
Why I don't like Asia -
The music is rubbish (apart from "Heat of the Moment", which tempted me into spending my pocket money on the first Asia album only to find it was the only good song on it). If the band was made up of no-hopers then it would be understandable but band members are obviously talented, creative individuals. Asia is a case of something being much less than the sum of its parts.
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CVoss
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:42 |
stonebeard wrote:
"Heat of the Moment" is on my playlist of songs to blast really loud in the car, as are Europe's "The Final Countdown" and Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again."
Who's living in the 80s? I'm super  !
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I actually did blast "Heat of the Moment" once on my dorm computer, just for amusement, and for my roommates to potentially say "Asia? WTF, man?" Of course, this was months ago. Good times.
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"No one told you when to run
You missed the starting gun"
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Codis
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 15:55 |
Hey, did you hear the original members of GTR are re-uniting? Just kidding (I hope!) Put me down in the "likes Asia" camp. The first album, at least. Didn't care to listen to the others. I considered going to the show in Redbank, NJ, but most good seats are already sold (!!) Maybe I'll scalp.
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iguana
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 12:01 |
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hello ASIA bashers, you might like to have a got at
this older thread here:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7669&KW=
my (lengthy) reply is twds. the end, although my general
opinion has altered considerably after the announcement
of the reunion and the disgraceful exit(ing) of john payne.
enough said!
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Big Ears
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 08:48 |
Any group including Chris Slade should be good. Asia may get 'dissed' because John Payne was not a popular replacement for John Wetton. What happened to Wetton and Palmer's Quango project? Was Payne a member of ELO? (Where did they recruit him?)
Edited by Big Ears - June 19 2006 at 08:53
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 03:03 |
Sacred 22 wrote:
Their first album is a pretty good pop album, that's
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AOR. Pop isn't based on Blues/Rock harmonies.
Edited by Teaflax - June 19 2006 at 03:04
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Sacred 22
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 02:46 |
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Their first album is a pretty good pop album, that's all. Not prog, just prog players making a little coin. Come on, prog is not a great source of income. The masters know enough to "aim high and shoot low". As long as they come back to earth after making all that loot.
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