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Peace Frog 
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 Topic: METALLICA in Progarchives.
Posted: November 13 2005 at 12:13 |
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I am a big Metallica fan, I think they're the greatest metal band to
walk the earth (even if they did rip off Floyd's Goodbye Blue Sky in
Fade To Black)
I don't, however think that they should be added to prog archives. Yes,
they had some proggy moments (Master of Puppets, Ride The Lightning,
And Justice For All, all having epic songs, dark lyrical themes, and
sound effects and stuff and being sort of concept-y albums) but
they are just a pure metal band.
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retuow
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 09:47 |
 Pafnutij wrote:
Metallica is considerably more progressive than Iron
Maiden. At least until someone forms "Dickinson and the South"  |
I prefer "Eddie's Beard" to "Dickinson and the South"  ...
But Iron Maiden have a better musical taste: Maiden have covered Jethro
Tull's "Cross-Eyed Mary" (it was the B-side of The Trooper). They even
mention being huge Tull fans in the liner notes of Best Of The
B-Sides...
But neither Maiden nor Metallica should be in progarchives, of course...
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Pafnutij
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 09:17 |
Metallica is considerably more progressive than Iron Maiden. At least until someone forms "Dickinson and the South"
Edited by Pafnutij
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 11:29 |
Certif1ed wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
^^^ No I don't remember.
I take each thread as it comes - and I never hold personal grudges against forum members. What's the point? Everyone says something that annoys someone else sooner or later.
If you have something to say on the subject matter, or on any of the points I raised, then I'd be happy to discuss them.
If you just want to tell me I'm an idiot, then get to the back of the queue and you'll receive your slap with a wet herring in due course.
Credibility?
Who gives a monkey's about that?
I'm only here to talk about music. 
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Well we have discussed this before so i really does not want to be dragged into this discussion again...Look i am not calling you an idiot it is not a personal attack on you. It is just that i dont think it will have any purpose in bringing the discussion any further with you as we did not seem to get anywhere last time we discussed this...
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You don't want to engage in discussion, yet you keep replying to my posts
You don't want to discuss this *awesome* topic, yet you post in this thread
Why?
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Look i had not started the discussion really but i have already discussed this with you so i dont see the point in discussing it again...i would just like to point out that you had forgotten maiden as the first prog-metal band. And even if you think Maiden is not a proto-prog-metal band i do not care at all because of your previous statements i find it pointless to discuss with you...Bye and now SHUT UP 
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:07 |
Useful_Idiot wrote:
Progarchives.com: We can even turn the most ridiculous of joke threads into a heated debate that leaves someone feeling offended! |
That's really Useful.
NOT.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:06 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
^^^ No I don't remember.
I take each thread as it comes - and I never hold personal grudges against forum members. What's the point? Everyone says something that annoys someone else sooner or later.
If you have something to say on the subject matter, or on any of the points I raised, then I'd be happy to discuss them.
If you just want to tell me I'm an idiot, then get to the back of the queue and you'll receive your slap with a wet herring in due course.
Credibility?
Who gives a monkey's about that?
I'm only here to talk about music.
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Well we have discussed this before so i really does not want to be dragged into this discussion again...Look i am not calling you an idiot it is not a personal attack on you. It is just that i dont think it will have any purpose in bringing the discussion any further with you as we did not seem to get anywhere last time we discussed this...
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You don't want to engage in discussion, yet you keep replying to my posts
You don't want to discuss this *awesome* topic, yet you post in this thread
Why?
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Bryan
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 18:17 |
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Progarchives.com: We can even turn the most ridiculous of joke threads
into a heated debate that leaves someone feeling offended!
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:04 |
I don't know, the last time I met him, he clearly wasn't alive.
Rock'n'roll never dies!
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 15:32 |
Gentle Ronnie wrote:
Thanks for ruining my awesome thread. |
How old is ronnie james dio...i saw he appeared first time on record in 1955
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 15:21 |
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Thanks for ruining my awesome thread.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:01 |
Certif1ed wrote:
^^^ No I don't remember.
I take each thread as it comes - and I never hold personal grudges against forum members. What's the point? Everyone says something that annoys someone else sooner or later.
If you have something to say on the subject matter, or on any of the points I raised, then I'd be happy to discuss them.
If you just want to tell me I'm an idiot, then get to the back of the queue and you'll receive your slap with a wet herring in due course.
Credibility?
Who gives a monkey's about that?
I'm only here to talk about music.
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Well we have discussed this before so i really does not want to be dragged into this discussion again...Look i am not calling you an idiot it is not a personal attack on you. It is just that i dont think it will have any purpose in bringing the discussion any further with you as we did not seem to get anywhere last time we discussed this...
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 07:49 |
^^^ No I don't remember.
I take each thread as it comes - and I never hold personal grudges against forum members. What's the point? Everyone says something that annoys someone else sooner or later.
If you have something to say on the subject matter, or on any of the points I raised, then I'd be happy to discuss them.
If you just want to tell me I'm an idiot, then get to the back of the queue and you'll receive your slap with a wet herring in due course.
Credibility?
Who gives a monkey's about that?
I'm only here to talk about music.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 03:52 |
Certif1ed wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
You can even compare the simple trashy elements from metallice with the gods of iron maiden...and stating that maiden has not released a single progressive album is again an pretty silly statement....and i also wait to see 10 prog bands that are clearly influenced by metallica on a 100% if their output
And if all those metallica albums you have listed you think are progressive you CLEARLY have a very strange defintion on what is progressvie...but you think radiohead is more progressive than the mars volta and also you think queen is progressive 
So i leave it at that, as said before i suspect that your favourite bands suddenly become more progressive just because they are your favourite bands...
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Why has this suddenly turned into an attack on me?
Please read the forum guidelines.
Feel free to dispute any point I make, but don't insult me with this bollocks.
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We have been discussing this before remember I have nothing more to say other than that i doubt your credibility
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 03:49 |
maidenrulez wrote:
You can even compare the simple trashy elements from metallice with the gods of iron maiden...and stating that maiden has not released a single progressive album is again an pretty silly statement....and i also wait to see 10 prog bands that are clearly influenced by metallica on a 100% if their output
And if all those metallica albums you have listed you think are progressive you CLEARLY have a very strange defintion on what is progressvie...but you think radiohead is more progressive than the mars volta and also you think queen is progressive
So i leave it at that, as said before i suspect that your favourite bands suddenly become more progressive just because they are your favourite bands...
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Why has this suddenly turned into an attack on me?
Please read the forum guidelines.
Feel free to dispute any point I make, but don't insult me with this bollocks.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 03:13 |
You can even compare the simple trashy elements from metallice with the gods of iron maiden...and stating that maiden has not released a single progressive album is again an pretty silly statement....and i also wait to see 10 prog bands that are clearly influenced by metallica on a 100% if their output
And if all those metallica albums you have listed you think are progressive you CLEARLY have a very strange defintion on what is progressvie...but you think radiohead is more progressive than the mars volta and also you think queen is progressive
So i leave it at that, as said before i suspect that your favourite bands suddenly become more progressive just because they are your favourite bands...
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 02:54 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
I see no reason at all why Metallica shouldn't be in the archives : "Master of Puppets" is practically THE definitive Progressive Metal album, with "And Justice for All..." taking it to the next level.
Those two albums alone out-prog many "prog metal" bands already in the archives, and without them, prog metal probably wouldn't exist.
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Ahem Iron Maiden cough cough
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Iron Maiden had progressive moments in songs - none of their albums are progressive.
Metallica produced 5 albums that progressed the entire metal genre, two of which are bona fide Prog Metal albums (Master..., and Justice...) - and I'd argue strongly for two others (Kill... and Ride...).
Metallica were influenced by far more bands than just Iron Maiden - indeed, the influence of Diamond Head (the original prog metal band) is strong, as is that of Metal Church, Budgie, Misfits, Rush, Killing Joke and Bleak House.
bj-1 wrote:
Metallica was only prog from 1984-1988, IMO
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Genesis were only prog from 1970-1975 in some people's opinions. Even if you consider them prog up to Duke, that's less than 30% of their entire output.
But the point is, Metallica were Prog.
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 00:48 |
bluetailfly wrote:
Look, any band whose members lower their heads and swirl their hair around, and seriously believe they are musicians, DO NOT belong in the prog archives. No hair swirling. That is not cool and never was cool.
If they're already in, get them out. If they are not in, keep them out. No hair-swirling!
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Robert Fripp used to swirl his hair too.
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Pafnutij
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 00:42 |
Not funny
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Bj-1
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 18:34 |
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Metallica was only prog from 1984-1988, IMO
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bluetailfly
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 17:17 |
Look, any band whose members lower their heads and swirl their hair around, and seriously believe they are musicians, DO NOT belong in the prog archives. No hair swirling. That is not cool and never was cool.
If they're already in, get them out. If they are not in, keep them out. No hair-swirling!
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