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Poll Question: What was the peak (or best) year for prog?
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    Posted: 5 hours 29 minutes ago at 11:05
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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1971 
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Jethro Tull - Aqualung
The Groundhogs - Split
Amon Düül II - Tanz der Lemminge
Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink
Roy Harper - Stormcock
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Strawbs - From the Witchwood
Can - Tago Mago
Frank Zappa - 200 Motels
Gong - Camembert Electrique
Focus - II (Moving Waves)
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
Pink Floyd - Meddle
Barclay James Harvest - Barclay James Harvest and Other Stories
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
Isaac Hayes - Black Moses
Traffic - Low Spark of High Heeled Boys
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Hi,

That is such an awesome listing and very inspiring ... it really shows what we were listening to in those days, and how varied it all was. It really shows how great the independent FM radio in America was so important to what we came to consider as progressive and prog in time ... 

I keep saying that it is impossible to think of a "favorite" when you come up against a huge list like this ... but sadly, I'm not sure the Internet folks can relate to it much ... I have my "favorites", however, I can't take them away from everything else ... put on Le Sacre du Printemps, and the list kinda falls apart! Put on Nilsson and Tebaldi in Turandot and so much of the lists fall apart ... but ... some amazing and incredible memories at the juncture of meeting new music in your mind!
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Quote Who the heck told you that? What is your source (re no good synths before mid 74)?
Hundreds of prog songs/albums I've dissected and to which I've listened. Keep in mind, that I'm not limiting myself to the 1st world commonwealth regions (a very popular tendency on prog forums). Whether synth usage before '74 was sonically advanced or not is arguable, but you can still easily see that it wasn't internationally widespread and thus a lot of non-commonwealth prog bands either wasn't equipped with the state of the art gear or didn't have a keyboardist/producer with enough experience to really give those synths the proper polish in the mix.
Quote one of the best sounding albums ever made came out in the 60s. Can you guess which one?
I didn't say that in the 60s every album sounded like dogturds. What I mean is that high fidelity recording techniques and richer synthesizer rigs had become more commonplace by the mid-late 70s.

And yes, determining hi-fi vs lo-fi is very subjective.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded.
They do, but keep in mind that these examples are exceptions. At the time there were only a handful of bands that could lay their hands on such cutting edge tech. Outside of the 1st world commonwealth countries, most rock/prog formations didn't have access to professional synthesizers before mid 1974.

But it's not just the synths. The whole craft of mixing and recording music IMO got better by the late 70s.

Who the heck told you that? What is your source (re no good synths before mid 74)? Also, I think there's plenty of great sounding albums by the late 70s. I would say by the early 70s it got better (not late). Also, one of the best sounding albums ever made came out in the 60s. Can you guess which one?
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I voted 1973 because, within the greater tapestry of progressive music, from "Tubular Bells" to "Birds of Fire," that year stands out as a veritable zenith, where its most illustrious bands reached their creative apogee and progressive music gained commercial exposure without sacrificing its artistic sensibility. Both their vast artistic approaches and the improvements in recording technique contributed to the 1973 albums' superb sound quality.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded.
They do, but keep in mind that these examples are exceptions. At the time there were only a handful of bands that could lay their hands on such cutting edge tech. Outside of the 1st world commonwealth countries, most rock/prog formations didn't have access to professional synthesizers before mid 1974.

But it's not just the synths. The whole craft of mixing and recording music IMO got better by the late 70s.

Edited by Hrychu - September 19 2024 at 03:42
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1973.  King Crimson's "Larks Tongues in Aspic" seals the deal for me.  
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of lesser interest for the topic of this thread.



Edited by Sean Trane - September 19 2024 at 03:02
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2024 at 06:46
I voted arbitrarily 1971, because it needed help.

Gnosis 2000 being temporaily out, I couldn't really check my cumulative ratings to see which year is actually better.
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I consider 2023 the greatest prog year since the 70s...with a 73 sweet spot.  Don't get me wrong, 2023 does not top the 71-74 period.  

  According to PA ratings, 2023 has 70 albums that average 4.00 or higher.  Even when factoring in recency bias, 2023 is impressive.  The year 2024 has 56 albums and 2022 has 46 albums that average 4.00 or higher.  

That said, PA's album rating system is not why I put forth 2023.  I subjectively believe 2023 is the best prog-year since the 70s.  I added the PA ratings as objective evidence to support my subjective claim. 

Subjectively...your mileage may vary. Different strokes for different folks.


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If looking at the number of Progressive Rock releases each year, according to RYM's statistics they were about:

                      1971  -  470
                      1972  -  530
                      1973  -  470
                      1974  -  400
                      1975  -  470
                      1976  -  450

( https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/ )


Edited by David_D - September 15 2024 at 06:48
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For synths I've never heard anything better than Gary Numan's Replicas album (1979) and also the single Cars by him. I've also always preferred the synths sounds that Vangelis and Tangerine Dream were getting around 1977-1983 more than any other era. The theme music for Stranger Things was also a nod to that era I think.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).

The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded. You could even go back a little earlier. 

However, I will say that I always found it unfortunate that prog started to die out around 77/78 because the synth sounds happening at time (which were still developing as you implied) would have fit right in with prog. You can hear it in a lot of new wave stuff. Blondie's "heart of glass" is a good example. Listen to the synth on that. 


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).

It's also my (audiophile) experience that the sound quality in the second half of the '70s was the best one.

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Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

There have been many subjective answers here, but I have certainly the impression that the OP is asking for some more objective ones, meaning, not just based on personal tastes and preferences.
I think it would be near impossible to not take personal tastes into consideration when deciding what is the best year. Of course ultimately it's subjective. That said, you are right in that one should try to be as objective as possible. So even if tales from topographic oceans is your favorite Yes album but you don't think it's their best and you think The Yes Album or Close to the Edge is then vote for the year that corresponds to that album. Then of course you would have to factor in albums from other bands as well.

I'm not sure here that you've seen it, as what I have in mind is the kind of answer which is based on some "objective" criteria like in this post of mine:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

If looking at RYM's chart for 150 highest rated Progressive Rock albums for the years 1971-76 (with popularity weighting on 4), 
so many albums are on it from each year:

                       1971 - 27
                       1972 - 25
                       1973 - 29
                       1974 - 29
                       1975 - 25
                       1976 - 15

( https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1971-1976/g:progressive%2drock/pop:4/ )

On that basis, I'd say, it's hardly possible to point at any year(s) in the period 1971-75 as the best one(s).



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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

As for the OP's intentions, I guess those often get clearer as the discussions with the OP develop and become more sophisticated and specific over time. Then one can hone in on different methodologies. 72 and 73 are often considered peak years (1973 especially). This kind of topic has been done many times (nothing wrong with that) and the results seem consistent with those done in the past from my memory.

Yes, that's what I had been thinking too, so actually, I got some suprised by seeing the statistics from RYM's chart.

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I'm still thinking...1971 has some of my favorite albums ever, but there's a lot up to 1976. 
I'd say the decade 1967-1976 is my era.
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