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Jared 
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 17:16 |
 gdub411 wrote:
I couldnt agree more. Into the Electric Castle is over-rated. While it is well made and has a great cast to perform it, it just comes off as emotionless and cold to me. The Universal Migrator is just horrible and The Final Countdown is just silly and cheesy.
With that said, The Human Equation is great. Ayreon finally got it right on this one. Even bad bands can get it right once...eh? Fortunately for me, i had purchased this one 1st, or else I might have been in the same opinion about it as you are.
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Thanks Greg.. . while I had hoped that this thread had been long dead and buried by now (I'm sure no-one likes to see senior members squabbling over musical differences, and I know I went over the top and pissed people off in the previous pages... )...
I will say that your view is possibly the most reasonable one offered, and some time I just may check out THE, and try and give it a fair hearing.....
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 16:53 |
I couldnt agree more. Into the Electric Castle is over-rated. While it is well made and has a great cast to perform it, it just comes off as emotionless and cold to me. The Universal Migrator is just horrible and The Final Countdown is just silly and cheesy.
With that said, The Human Equation is great. Ayreon finally got it right on this one. Even bad bands can get it right once...eh? Fortunately for me, i had purchased this one 1st, or else I might have been in the same opinion about it as you are.
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 13:57 |
CrazyDiamond wrote:
The Human Equation is better than GFTO, it rules! |
Ditto
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 12:49 |
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I prefer by far The Human Equation...
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 21:20 |
gdub411 wrote:
The Human Equation is better than any Yes Lp. |
now that's blasphemy.... 
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 21:19 |
Every rating is subjective ... how can you know that your point of view is the right one?. Isn't it possible that some of the modern albums in the top 100 are indeed as good (or even better) than many of the classic albums?
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I agree, and lots and lots of subjective reviews produce an objective average rating...
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Posted: January 10 2006 at 21:55 |
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The Human Equation is better than any Yes Lp. Now the rest of Ayreon's catalog is tripe including Into the Electric Castle.
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Posted: January 10 2006 at 21:49 |
I prefer “Going for the One” to “the Human Equation”
even though it is a very unique and strange album.
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Jared
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:38 |
I think I've said enough, and shall leave this thread alone now....the last thing I want to do is upset people whose musical judgment I otherwise respect...
Terrific set of album covers you've got there Mike....
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:37 |
i like both - i treat lists as suggestions only and check out bands i'm interested in , if i had to choose one over the other it would GFTO
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:32 |
fandango wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
fandango wrote:
Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.
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Pure idiocy. You should do yourself a favour and watch the Star One DVD. You'll find that Ayreon (and Arjen in particular) are very down-to-earth musicians. Why do you have to be so over the top with your bashing? Remember: THE is quite high in the top 100. Please don't insult the Ayreon fans more than necessary. You don't like them, many others do ... get over it.
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Yeah, 'Down to Earth' musicians who get you to file their one album under Space Metal...
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Space Metal really fits, what's the problem?
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:27 |
Fandango!
How's the drinking going? You like Ayreon a bit better?
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:26 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
fandango wrote:
Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.
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Pure idiocy. You should do yourself a favour and watch the Star One DVD. You'll find that Ayreon (and Arjen in particular) are very down-to-earth musicians. Why do you have to be so over the top with your bashing? Remember: THE is quite high in the top 100. Please don't insult the Ayreon fans more than necessary. You don't like them, many others do ... get over it.
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Yeah, 'Down to Earth' musicians who get you to file their one album under Space Metal...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:24 |
lovecraft wrote:
fandango wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I find your attitude surprising! I thought you were above this kind of bashing Fandango. You don't like them so ergo, they are rubbish.
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I can't agree with you...
...I'm not a big Camel fan...I think that Andy Latimer is a super guitarist, and can understand why people like them, but I wouldn't give them a regular listen. For different reasons, I'd say the same about King Crimson.
Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.
Frankly, my views on Ayreon are nothing new Snowie, and you of all people shouldn't be surprised that I find Going For The One so superior in every way, that even mentioning them in the same thread is frankly bad taste...
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Not sure that it is scientifically possible for me to agree with anyone more. I remember the one time someone played me Into The Electric Castle....jaw droppingly dreadful in every respect, but hey, its horses for courses
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Thank you Lovecraft...at least I'm not the only one not going mad around here...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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lovecraft
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:56 |
fandango wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I find your attitude surprising! I thought you were above this kind
of bashing Fandango. You don't like them so ergo, they are rubbish.
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I can't agree with you...
...I'm not a big Camel fan...I think that Andy Latimer is a super
guitarist, and can understand why people like them, but I wouldn't give
them a regular listen. For different reasons, I'd say the same
about King Crimson.
Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and
preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence
of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has
been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.
Frankly, my views on Ayreon are nothing new Snowie, and you of all
people shouldn't be surprised that I find Going For The One so superior
in every way, that even mentioning them in the same thread is frankly
bad taste... |
Not sure that it is scientifically possible for me to agree with anyone
more. I remember the one time someone played me Into The Electric
Castle....jaw droppingly dreadful in every respect, but hey, its horses
for courses
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:47 |
I don't like The Human Equation at all, quite boring if you want to know my opinion, but the same can be said about Going For The One, aside Awaken which is reasonably good the album is not up to Yes standards prior to that album, same is true for ayreon, I like most of the albums prior to THE (Into The Electric Castle is my favourite).
anyway, my ratings for both albums is about three stars, were GTFO will get 4 because of Awaken and THE will get 2 because of the lack of one stand out track
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:47 |
Hey, the thread asked if anyone honestly liked The Human Equation more
than Going For the One, I did so I said so. If that means I'm
going to laughed at, what was the point of starting this thread?
Find the people who like The Human Equation so that we can all ridicule
them?
Also, I don't think trashing the lyrics is really a valid complaint
when you're defending a band whose lyricist is Jon Anderson.
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:38 |
fandango wrote:
Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.
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Pure idiocy. You should do yourself a favour and watch the Star One DVD. You'll find that Ayreon (and Arjen in particular) are very down-to-earth musicians. Why do you have to be so over the top with your bashing? Remember: THE is quite high in the top 100. Please don't insult the Ayreon fans more than necessary. You don't like them, many others do ... get over it.
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 13:35 |
Awaken is a terrific piece of music, I'm not bashing Yes! But your comments on Ayreon are even more extreme!
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