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    Posted: September 07 2015 at 08:57
Originally posted by AZF AZF wrote:

"The Race For Space" by Public Service Broadcasting is a really great album. 
But I think it's more Ambient than Prog.

Not sure about it being more ambient but electronic, yes. It's chuck full of the old Berlin school sound that both TD and Schulze pioneered.
Great chill out album though and a wonderful way with samples and radio segments. I particularly enjoy the first bit with John F Kennedy announcing The US' goal of sending a man to the moon. Lays down a certain framework for the album that really speaks to me. 
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"The Race For Space" by Public Service Broadcasting is a really great album. 
But I think it's more Ambient than Prog.
Still at least this chart now has the comedy of both Ian Anderson with a red face going "f**k off! f**k right off!"  and Keith Emerson thinking "Oh if only I'd held my Christmas album back for another year!
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Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

At least I've seen a lot of people before label Muse as prog so I'm not surprised. What does surprises me is the fact that Air is in there.

And Within Temptation just sound like a poppy metal band (from what I've heard, at least).


I like some Within Temptation, but I would never have thought of them as anything related to prog. They have become more pop and less interesting for me each album they have released since I found out about them. I don't know what you have heard from them, but if you don't know it perhaps Mother Earth could be interesting, very different from their last album. It's actually among my very favourite metal albums, prog metal included.

I've only heard their last album along with some random tracks from The heart of everything, I think. I might give Mother Earth, but I won't have high expectations. They're generally just not my preferred kind of metal.


Well, the two albums you mentioned are mostly pop metal, to describe it some way. Mother Eart is rather folk metal, or celtic metal... and it shows. Perhaps if you heard "The Truth Beneath the Rose" from The Heart of Everything you might get a bit better idea of what Mother Earth sounds like, that one is actually my favourite song from them since M.E.
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Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

Well, I might not be too into a lot of what's at the top of this chart, but I find that's usually the case with these things anyway. Let's look on the bright side here: this is more evidence that the subgenre is healthy enough that mainstream musical outlets are having to take it into account.

Of course, it should be pointed out that this doesn't necessarily represent a new massive surge of prog support amongst the listening audience so much as it's a consequence of the continued fragmentation of musical tastes - in these Internet days where people can track down obscure stuff which speaks directly to them much more easily there's less justification for there being one, single, solitary music chart because that implies a commonality of taste which no longer exists (and was perhaps always overstated even when the charts were more influential on pop culture than they were). But the fact that our breed of music is strong enough to merit its own chart is something to celebrate at least.

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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

At least I've seen a lot of people before label Muse as prog so I'm not surprised. What does surprises me is the fact that Air is in there.

And Within Temptation just sound like a poppy metal band (from what I've heard, at least).


I like some Within Temptation, but I would never have thought of them as anything related to prog. They have become more pop and less interesting for me each album they have released since I found out about them. I don't know what you have heard from them, but if you don't know it perhaps Mother Earth could be interesting, very different from their last album. It's actually among my very favourite metal albums, prog metal included.
I've only heard their last album along with some random tracks from The heart of everything, I think. I might give Mother Earth, but I won't have high expectations. They're generally just not my preferred kind of metal.
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Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

At least I've seen a lot of people before label Muse as prog so I'm not surprised. What does surprises me is the fact that Air is in there.

And Within Temptation just sound like a poppy metal band (from what I've heard, at least).


I like some Within Temptation, but I would never have thought of them as anything related to prog. They have become more pop and less interesting for me each album they have released since I found out about them. I don't know what you have heard from them, but if you don't know it perhaps Mother Earth could be interesting, very different from their last album. It's actually among my very favourite metal albums, prog metal included.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

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It's the same problem with Tame Impala. The folks behind this chart obviously don't know prog. They hear a synth and a guitar solo - or read and believe some idiotic review of done by an 18 year old Indie fan.
Also many places on the net prog seems to have transformed into a sticker that merely means 'a tad experimental' just like Krautrock supposedly is rock with a metronomic beat and some synths.

Muse are here on PA under prog related, which is fine with me. Not a prog band but they have flirted around with the genre a couple of times and are very honest about where they find their inspiration.


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'm a bit confused, I've been reading that Muse are the number 1 selling prog band:


I quite like Muse, but I am not sure that I would have categorized them as "progressive" as we use the term on PA.  Thoughts?  

Matthew Bellamy is a very innovative musician, playing guitar and keyboards, and I quite like Muse!


It's the same problem with Tame Impala. The folks behind this chart obviously don't know prog. They hear a synth and a guitar solo - or read and believe some idiotic review of done by an 18 year old Indie fan.
Also many places on the net prog seems to have transformed into a sticker that merely means 'a tad experimental' just like Krautrock supposedly is rock with a metronomic beat and some synths.

Muse are here on PA under prog related, which is fine with me. Not a prog band but they have flirted around with the genre a couple of times and are very honest about where they find their inspiration.
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Points: 2619 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2015 at 09:22
Originally posted by Andy Webb Andy Webb wrote:

Not too surprised by the albums on the list. Anything that has a mote of prog will probably show up on the list, and the more commercially friendly ones will be at the top (e.g. Tame Impala).

Hi. I really have a question : Does "Tim Bowness - Stupid Things That Mean The World" have a good sale in British market? or IS Tim Bowness  albums sell well? Honestly I don't think so but I haven't any information about British market and I think you know more about that. Thanks
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Points: 2619 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2015 at 08:37
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I think the new Tame Impala is excellent. It brings some of the same old vibe as you got from the first two - only here it's dressed in electronic gadgery instead of old school organs and wah wah pedal. Still the same "old" Impala though.

As much as I dig these guys I still find it utterly ridiculous calling them a prog rock band. They may have been proto prog if they started out in 67. They do rock the old school hippie way, and they're about as prog as Wolfmother or Coldplay.
Great band - silly and misinformed chart.
Maybe we should start our own 'charts' on music we don't really know that well? PA's Asian Hip Hop Chart perchance?



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At least I've seen a lot of people before label Muse as prog so I'm not surprised. What does surprises me is the fact that Air is in there.

And Within Temptation just sound like a poppy metal band (from what I've heard, at least).
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Points: 7402 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2015 at 23:46
I'm a bit confused, I've been reading that Muse are the number 1 selling prog band:


I quite like Muse, but I am not sure that I would have categorized them as "progressive" as we use the term on PA.  Thoughts?  

Matthew Bellamy is a very innovative musician, playing guitar and keyboards, and I quite like Muse!
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I think the new Tame Impala is excellent. It brings some of the same old vibe as you got from the first two - only here it's dressed in electronic gadgery instead of old school organs and wah wah pedal. Still the same "old" Impala though.

As much as I dig these guys I still find it utterly ridiculous calling them a prog rock band. They may have been proto prog if they started out in 67. They do rock the old school hippie way, and they're about as prog as Wolfmother or Coldplay.
Great band - silly and misinformed chart.
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Just saw this on BBC news, and came straight to PA to see who's in it this week. I think there's going to be a notable problem, which has already happened with Tame Impala, where disputes about what is progressive enough (or conventionally "prog" enough) will break out. Nonetheless, Currents is not a prog album, from what I've heard anyway Confused Also shows again how sad it is that enough advertisements can convince people that such a mediocre record is actually worth buying instead of 100s of other brilliant lesser-known albums.

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Presumably the die hard fans of blues, country, rap, hip-hop, techno etc. etc. will say exactly the same things about the various official charts catering for their genres :-)
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Not too surprised by the albums on the list. Anything that has a mote of prog will probably show up on the list, and the more commercially friendly ones will be at the top (e.g. Tame Impala).
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Whoa.  That sort of made me sick.  Viewing their list, I felt like I got sent back to second grade.    I'll stick with Prog Archives lists.  Cool

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Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

 


Official comes from the background of the suppliers of the chart:

The Official Charts Company (OCC), previously called the Chart Information Network (CIN) and then The Official UK Charts Company, compiles various "official" UK record charts, including the UK Singles Chart, the UK Albums Chart, the UK Singles Downloads Chart and the UK Album Downloads Chart, as well as genre-specific and music video charts. The OCC produces its charts by gathering and combining sales data from retailers through market researchers Millward Brown, and claims to cover 99% of the singles market and 95% of the album market, and aims to collect data from any retailer who sells more than 100 chart items per week.[1]

The OCC is operated jointly by the British Phonographic Industry and the Entertainment Retailers Association ERA (formerly the British Association of Record Dealers (BARD)). Since 1 July 1997, CIN and then the OCC have compiled the official charts. Prior to this date, the charts were produced by a succession of market research companies, beginning with the British Market Research Bureau in 1969, and later by Gallup. Before the production of the "official" charts, various less comprehensive charts were produced, most notably by newspaper/magazine New Musical Express (NME) which began its chart in 1952; some of these older charts (including NME‍ '​s earliest singles charts) are now part of the official OCC canon.


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Well, I might not be too into a lot of what's at the top of this chart, but I find that's usually the case with these things anyway. Let's look on the bright side here: this is more evidence that the subgenre is healthy enough that mainstream musical outlets are having to take it into account.

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