Official prog charts
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Topic: Official prog charts
Posted By: Windhawk
Subject: Official prog charts
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 16:33
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http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/official-charts-and-prog-magazine-join-forces-to-launch-the-official-prog-albums-chart__10626/" rel="nofollow - The Official Progressive Albums Chart have been launched. First top 10 list:
©2015 http://www.officialcharts.com/" rel="nofollow - Official Charts Company . All rights reserved. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 17:45
Thanks a lot .
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 18:30
| I love psych pop but the new Tame Impala album is just dance inspired pop rock with little psych. It's great ear candy for those with a musical sweet tooth, but man, there's no prog on it. Whatever these Prog Mag guys are puffing on is a lot stronger than what I've got. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 20:16
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Have to agree Steve, not impressed at all by Tame Impala, sounds like its got a bloody clap track, I was certain that was a drum machine, apparently he's a real drummer, he sure plays like a drum machine. This is lightweight pop with a 'hint' of psyche though it would be an embarrassment to mention them in the same paragraph with CAN or Amon Duul II. Awful. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 20:20
Ahh, an Official Prog Chart - sure to lead to `XXX artist/band' is not really prog' arguments for generations to come! 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 20:36
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Is this what selling-out looks like? ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 21:55
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Most of the CDs that come with the Prog Magazine I don't think are progressive rock, rather alternative hard rock. Occasionally there is some rock with prog influences or actual prog. I suppose at least it's something new to check out. -------------   
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 23:41
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11. HIT ME BABY ONE MORE TIME EPIGNOSIS
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 04:32
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I did't know anything about this site and mag and I say thanks to Windhawk for introduce this (for me). I like new sites and blogs about music.
As you guys said this chart CAN'T be a measure for Prog fans. I can't understand OFFICIAL deffinition in this case. How they choose these albums? What is Official Prog albums in their book ? What is their " Progressive " deffinition ?
Finally there are one strange artist in this chart : Tim Bowness !! I'm happy for Tim. Congratulation Mr. Bowness !! You are in OFFICIAL Top Ten Progressive chart.
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 06:49
Official comes from the background of the suppliers of the chart: The Official Charts Company (OCC), previously called the Chart Information Network (CIN) and then The Official UK Charts Company, compiles various "official" UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_chart" rel="nofollow - record charts , including the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Singles_Chart" rel="nofollow - UK Singles Chart , the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Albums_Chart" rel="nofollow - UK Albums Chart , the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Singles_Downloads_Chart" rel="nofollow - UK Singles Downloads Chart and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Album_Downloads_Chart" rel="nofollow - UK Album Downloads Chart , as well as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre" rel="nofollow - genre -specific and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_video" rel="nofollow - music video charts. The OCC produces its charts by gathering and combining sales data from retailers through market researchers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millward_Brown" rel="nofollow - Millward Brown , and claims to cover 99% of the singles market and 95% of the album market, and aims to collect data from any retailer who sells more than 100 chart items per week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Charts_Company#cite_note-OCCIPack-1" rel="nofollow - [1] The OCC is operated jointly by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Phonographic_Industry" rel="nofollow - British Phonographic Industry and the Entertainment Retailers Association ERA (formerly the British Association of Record Dealers (BARD)). Since 1 July 1997, CIN and then the OCC have compiled the official charts. Prior to this date, the charts were produced by a succession of market research companies, beginning with the British Market Research Bureau in 1969, and later by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_poll" rel="nofollow - Gallup . Before the production of the "official" charts, various less comprehensive charts were produced, most notably by newspaper/magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Musical_Express" rel="nofollow - New Musical Express (NME) which began its chart in 1952; some of these older charts (including NME 's earliest singles charts) are now part of the official OCC canon. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
O666 wrote:Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 06:58
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 07:12
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Seven Impale > Tame Impala ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 07:27
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This chart is more relevant: http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=2015&scountries=&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=57&y=3" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=2015&scountries=&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=57&y=3 ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 07:40
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Well, I might not be too into a lot of what's at the top of this chart, but I find that's usually the case with these things anyway. Let's look on the bright side here: this is more evidence that the subgenre is healthy enough that mainstream musical outlets are having to take it into account. Of course, it should be pointed out that this doesn't necessarily represent a new massive surge of prog support amongst the listening audience so much as it's a consequence of the continued fragmentation of musical tastes - in these Internet days where people can track down obscure stuff which speaks directly to them much more easily there's less justification for there being one, single, solitary music chart because that implies a commonality of taste which no longer exists (and was perhaps always overstated even when the charts were more influential on pop culture than they were). But the fact that our breed of music is strong enough to merit its own chart is something to celebrate at least.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 08:03
Thanks Again. This post answer to many of my questions (not all of them) but its enough for me. (IMO) PA is the "BEST" Reference for Progressive Rock fans.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 11:19
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 13:27
Whoa. That sort of made me sick. Viewing their list, I felt like I got sent back to second grade. I'll stick with Prog Archives lists. 
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 15:50
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Not too surprised by the albums on the list. Anything that has a mote of prog will probably show up on the list, and the more commercially friendly ones will be at the top (e.g. Tame Impala). ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 17:03
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Presumably the die hard fans of blues, country, rap, hip-hop, techno etc. etc. will say exactly the same things about the various official charts catering for their genres :-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 17:18
Just saw this on BBC news, and came straight to PA to see who's in it this week. I think there's going to be a notable problem, which has already happened with Tame Impala, where disputes about what is progressive enough (or conventionally "prog" enough) will break out. Nonetheless, Currents is not a prog album, from what I've heard anyway  Also shows again how sad it is that enough advertisements can convince people that such a mediocre record is actually worth buying instead of 100s of other brilliant lesser-known albums.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 18:46
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I think the new Tame Impala is excellent. It brings some of the same old vibe as you got from the first two - only here it's dressed in electronic gadgery instead of old school organs and wah wah pedal. Still the same "old" Impala though. As much as I dig these guys I still find it utterly ridiculous calling them a prog rock band. They may have been proto prog if they started out in 67. They do rock the old school hippie way, and they're about as prog as Wolfmother or Coldplay. Great band - silly and misinformed chart. Maybe we should start our own 'charts' on music we don't really know that well? PA's Asian Hip Hop Chart perchance? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 23:46
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I'm a bit confused, I've been reading that Muse are the number 1 selling prog band: http://www.sundayworld.com/entertainment/music/muse-named-biggest-selling-progressive-act" rel="nofollow - http://www.sundayworld.com/entertainment/music/muse-named-biggest-selling-progressive-act I quite like Muse, but I am not sure that I would have categorized them as "progressive" as we use the term on PA. Thoughts? Matthew Bellamy is a very innovative musician, playing guitar and keyboards, and I quite like Muse!
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 00:13
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At least I've seen a lot of people before label Muse as prog so I'm not surprised. What does surprises me is the fact that Air is in there. And Within Temptation just sound like a poppy metal band (from what I've heard, at least). ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 08:37
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 09:22
Hi. I really have a question : Does "Tim Bowness - Stupid Things That Mean The World" have a good sale in British market? or IS Tim Bowness albums sell well? Honestly I don't think so but I haven't any information about British market and I think you know more about that. Thanks
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 09:31
It's the same problem with Tame Impala. The folks behind this chart obviously don't know prog. They hear a synth and a guitar solo - or read and believe some idiotic review of done by an 18 year old Indie fan. Also many places on the net prog seems to have transformed into a sticker that merely means 'a tad experimental' just like Krautrock supposedly is rock with a metronomic beat and some synths. Muse are here on PA under prog related, which is fine with me. Not a prog band but they have flirted around with the genre a couple of times and are very honest about where they find their inspiration. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 09:43
100% you right. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 22:42
I like some Within Temptation, but I would never have thought of them as anything related to prog. They have become more pop and less interesting for me each album they have released since I found out about them. I don't know what you have heard from them, but if you don't know it perhaps Mother Earth could be interesting, very different from their last album. It's actually among my very favourite metal albums, prog metal included. |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 00:17
I've only heard their last album along with some random tracks from The heart of everything, I think. I might give Mother Earth, but I won't have high expectations. They're generally just not my preferred kind of metal. ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 15:06
^Exactly what he said! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 21:07
Well, the two albums you mentioned are mostly pop metal, to describe it some way. Mother Eart is rather folk metal, or celtic metal... and it shows. Perhaps if you heard "The Truth Beneath the Rose" from The Heart of Everything you might get a bit better idea of what Mother Earth sounds like, that one is actually my favourite song from them since M.E. |
Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 08:03
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"The Race For Space" by Public Service Broadcasting is a really great album. But I think it's more Ambient than Prog. Still at least this chart now has the comedy of both Ian Anderson with a red face going "f**k off! f**k right off!" and Keith Emerson thinking "Oh if only I'd held my Christmas album back for another year!
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 08:57
Not sure about it being more ambient but electronic, yes. It's chuck full of the old Berlin school sound that both TD and Schulze pioneered. Great chill out album though and a wonderful way with samples and radio segments. I particularly enjoy the first bit with John F Kennedy announcing The US' goal of sending a man to the moon. Lays down a certain framework for the album that really speaks to me. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |