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    Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:40

Think about all those old songs with lyrics like, "Love live rock!," and, "Hey hey, my my, rock and roll will never die"... No one writes songs like those any more... A writer over at Pitchfork wrote awhile a go how hip-hop's gobal reach far exceeded that of rock and roll's, and went on to prove it. With the advent of new genres like rap and all kinds of electronic music, it seems pretty likely that rock and roll's heyday is over. What d'ya think about it?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:46
I don't know: I listen exclusively to Mbalax music. Geek
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:48
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I don't know: I listen exclusively to Mbalax music. Geek


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:57
I think it will die, but not too soon. More than 40 years we hear that rock is dead, but it's still more or less alive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:03

A related issue, that concerns PA: Should "prog music" remain tethered to rock and roll, a genre whose destiny seems to be waning, or should 'prog' be considered as something that can survive rock and roll's retreat?

Right now, it's a prerequisite for any band's inclusion into PA that it be rooted in rock and roll. This is why only those early electronic acts are included in PA (Kraftwerk, Vangelis, Eno, Tangerine Dream, et al), but not those who followed in their steps. (I don't want to revive an earlier argument about whether the Orb or FSOL or Aphex or Boards of Canada belong in PA...) There's no subgenre here at PA that isn't rooted in r&r, IOW. And maybe there should be?...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:11
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

I think it will die, but not too soon. More than 40 years we hear that rock is dead, but it's still more or less alive.


When Green Day came out in the 1990s and people referred to them as a 'punk' band, my attitude was, and remains: No, punk was something that happened in the late 70s.

People still compose symphonies and play jazz and blues, yet those genres are... for want of a better word... dead. Not what they once were. Seriously shrunken. No longer relevant. Maintained by curators in museums. Something like that.

There are still revivalists today. Bands coming along playing as though it's 1975 - or 1985. Tapping into that desire for retro and nostalgia - even improving upon it in some cases. Yet it's still... not authentic.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:44
Rock will never die, but no one said it would never lose its #1 status
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:47
^ What this guy said.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:48
^ and that's been over for a long time now.

I agree that rock is just the new jazz; that 'old' style of music. Now it's House/Dance music, and really bad hip-hop. The 90s/early 2000s were rock's final heydays. Of course, with prog, we all know it's much more than rock n' roll.. There is sophistication, and melding of genre's to a point where it cannot be simply defined as 'rock'. It is just a component for much bigger music.

**Also, not to go off track in this thread, I've always thought that when rock n' roll could go no further, in comes heavy metal, and that is the genre (and all it's sub-genres) that carries the 'rock' through the 21st century. Metal is something that came directly out of rock and became its own entity.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:00
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

 
**Also, not to go off track in this thread, I've always thought that when rock n' roll could go no further, in comes heavy metal, and that is the genre (and all it's sub-genres) that carries the 'rock' through the 21st century. Metal is something that came directly out of rock and became its own entity.

What a ghastly thought. I for one don't want to blame Dylan, Lennon, or Peter Gabriel - or Elvis for that matter - for the existence of extreme death grindcore tech speed metal. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:16
Rock n roll is still alive, its just now pronounced [aw-toh-toon].
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:43
What is this "rock and roll" that you speak of?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:44
If rock is dead than classical, jazz, blues are all buried long time ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:49
All music sales are in decline, but Rock and Pop isn't declining as much as Rap, Hip Hop and R&B. The distribution of popularity is harder to judge in illegal downloads but there is no real reason to assume it wouldn't be similar to legal music sales. You only need to look at the demographic that is into each music genre to get a picture of how popular each genre can ever be, and for that Rock and Pop will always be the dominant genres.
 
Rap isn't a popular genre nor is it a big selling genre and it has been in decline since the 1990s, though not seperated out from Rock in the following chart, in album sales even Metal out-sells Rap.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 07:16
I think rock may eventually get phased out, but if it does, I think it's almost certain that it will make several "comebacks".  People like to revisit the past, and dead and buried things frequently come back into fashion years after the fact.  In any case, I don't think rock will die in my own lifetime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 08:20
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

 
**Also, not to go off track in this thread, I've always thought that when rock n' roll could go no further, in comes heavy metal, and that is the genre (and all it's sub-genres) that carries the 'rock' through the 21st century. Metal is something that came directly out of rock and became its own entity.

What a ghastly thought. I for one don't want to blame Dylan, Lennon, or Peter Gabriel - or Elvis for that matter - for the existence of extreme death grindcore tech speed metal. LOL


No maybe not directly, but speaking of Lennon, The Beatles had "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" which is like a precursor to metal, and with Peter Gabriel, I hear a lot of Genesis influence in Iron Maiden (who were influenced by Genesis, Camel, etc.).

A lot of 70s metal, and even some early thrash, had basic rock/blues arrangements of I-IV-V, or just I-IV. Sometimes, were just sped up rock tunes, with more distortion and palm muting. Obviously, the more modern extreme acts evolved from older metal bands, and rock musicians probably didn't influence them as much.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:13
^I think you might be thinking of "Helter Skelter." I would agree that metal artists have just expounded upon the previous rock artists, but I might not say that it is "the" genre to carry it into the 21st century. Anyways, rock artists are going in all sorts of directions since the turn of the millenium. Metal is one. Punk and its derivatives are another. Radiohead is yet another. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:37
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Rap isn't a popular genre nor is it a big selling genre and it has been in decline since the 1990s, though not seperated out from Rock in the following chart, in album sales even Metal out-sells Rap.


Wow. Okay. I have to re-think everything now. LOL Good article & graph Smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:44
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

^I think you might be thinking of "Helter Selter."


No, I'm thinking "I Want You (She's So Heavy)".
Think about the riff underneath the part where they sing, "heavvaaaayyyyyy!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:58
^^^  I think with a melodic (but rather annoying imo) artist like Bruno Mars topping the charts (or Adele), we can see that pop is 'back'.  But this seems to be more about reaching a point of stagnation and with no particularly gripping new developments on the mainstream, the industry is falling back on the tried and tested genres of rock and pop.  I think the game is now about listening to 'genres' and the most typical, stereotyped sound of that genre rather than artists per se.  
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