Rock & roll will never die...
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Topic: Rock & roll will never die...
Posted By: jude111
Subject: Rock & roll will never die...
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:40
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Think about all those old songs with lyrics like, "Love live rock!," and, "Hey hey, my my, rock and roll will never die"... No one writes songs like those any more... A writer over at Pitchfork wrote awhile a go how hip-hop's gobal reach far exceeded that of rock and roll's, and went on to prove it. With the advent of new genres like rap and all kinds of electronic music, it seems pretty likely that rock and roll's heyday is over. What d'ya think about it?
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:46
I don't know: I listen exclusively to Mbalax music. 
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:48
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CPicard wrote:Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 23:57
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I think it will die, but not too soon. More than 40 years we hear that rock is dead, but it's still more or less alive. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:03
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A related issue, that concerns PA: Should "prog music" remain tethered to rock and roll, a genre whose destiny seems to be waning, or should 'prog' be considered as something that can survive rock and roll's retreat? Right now, it's a prerequisite for any band's inclusion into PA that it be rooted in rock and roll. This is why only those early electronic acts are included in PA (Kraftwerk, Vangelis, Eno, Tangerine Dream, et al), but not those who followed in their steps. (I don't want to revive an earlier argument about whether the Orb or FSOL or Aphex or Boards of Canada belong in PA...) There's no subgenre here at PA that isn't rooted in r&r, IOW. And maybe there should be?... |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:11
When Green Day came out in the 1990s and people referred to them as a 'punk' band, my attitude was, and remains: No, punk was something that happened in the late 70s. People still compose symphonies and play jazz and blues, yet those genres are... for want of a better word... dead. Not what they once were. Seriously shrunken. No longer relevant. Maintained by curators in museums. Something like that. There are still revivalists today. Bands coming along playing as though it's 1975 - or 1985. Tapping into that desire for retro and nostalgia - even improving upon it in some cases. Yet it's still... not authentic.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:44
| Rock will never die, but no one said it would never lose its #1 status |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:47
| ^ What this guy said. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 00:48
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^ and that's been over for a long time now. I agree that rock is just the new jazz; that 'old' style of music. Now it's House/Dance music, and really bad hip-hop. The 90s/early 2000s were rock's final heydays. Of course, with prog, we all know it's much more than rock n' roll.. There is sophistication, and melding of genre's to a point where it cannot be simply defined as 'rock'. It is just a component for much bigger music. **Also, not to go off track in this thread, I've always thought that when rock n' roll could go no further, in comes heavy metal, and that is the genre (and all it's sub-genres) that carries the 'rock' through the 21st century. Metal is something that came directly out of rock and became its own entity. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:00
What a ghastly thought. I for one don't want to blame Dylan, Lennon, or Peter Gabriel - or Elvis for that matter - for the existence of extreme death grindcore tech speed metal.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:16
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Rock n roll is still alive, its just now pronounced [aw-toh-toon].
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:43
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What is this "rock and roll" that you speak of?
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:44
| If rock is dead than classical, jazz, blues are all buried long time ago. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 01:49
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All music sales are in decline, but Rock and Pop isn't declining as much as Rap, Hip Hop and R&B. The distribution of popularity is harder to judge in illegal downloads but there is no real reason to assume it wouldn't be similar to legal music sales. You only need to look at the demographic that is into each music genre to get a picture of how popular each genre can ever be, and for that Rock and Pop will always be the dominant genres.
Rap isn't a popular genre nor is it a big selling genre and http://musicandcopyright.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/pop-is-still-king-of-the-world%E2%80%99s-music-genres/" rel="nofollow - it has been in decline since the 1990s , though not seperated out from Rock in the following chart, in album sales even Metal out-sells Rap.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 07:16
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I think rock may eventually get phased out, but if it does, I think it's almost certain that it will make several "comebacks". People like to revisit the past, and dead and buried things frequently come back into fashion years after the fact. In any case, I don't think rock will die in my own lifetime.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 08:20
No maybe not directly, but speaking of Lennon, The Beatles had "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" which is like a precursor to metal, and with Peter Gabriel, I hear a lot of Genesis influence in Iron Maiden (who were influenced by Genesis, Camel, etc.). A lot of 70s metal, and even some early thrash, had basic rock/blues arrangements of I-IV-V, or just I-IV. Sometimes, were just sped up rock tunes, with more distortion and palm muting. Obviously, the more modern extreme acts evolved from older metal bands, and rock musicians probably didn't influence them as much. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:13
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^I think you might be thinking of "Helter Skelter." I would agree that metal artists have just expounded upon the previous rock artists, but I might not say that it is "the" genre to carry it into the 21st century. Anyways, rock artists are going in all sorts of directions since the turn of the millenium. Metal is one. Punk and its derivatives are another. Radiohead is yet another. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:37
Wow. Okay. I have to re-think everything now. Good article & graph  http://musicandcopyright.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/pop-is-still-king-of-the-world%E2%80%99s-music-genres/" rel="nofollow - http://musicandcopyright.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/pop-is-still-king-of-the-world%E2%80%99s-music-genres/
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:44
No, I'm thinking "I Want You (She's So Heavy)". Think about the riff underneath the part where they sing, "heavvaaaayyyyyy!" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 10:58
| ^^^ I think with a melodic (but rather annoying imo) artist like Bruno Mars topping the charts (or Adele), we can see that pop is 'back'. But this seems to be more about reaching a point of stagnation and with no particularly gripping new developments on the mainstream, the industry is falling back on the tried and tested genres of rock and pop. I think the game is now about listening to 'genres' and the most typical, stereotyped sound of that genre rather than artists per se. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 12:23
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^ even indie rock's been in that funk for sometime now, most indie and alt rock bands have adopted a vanilla blandness about them, even the hep ones sound derivative and stereotyped to me. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 12:52
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Rock is anything but dead. As Dean's graph pointed out, it's still popular in the mainstream, and even though it has become stale in its most popular form, there are still myriads of great rock bands that haven't made it big. Young musicians (and old musicians!) are still forming bands, making creative and unique music, performing, and putting albums up on bandcamp. You just have to be willing to dig a little deeper. Just come to St. Louis to witness our thriving local music scene, complete with all genres of music, rock coexisting with classical, jazz, indie, and electronic acts. Rock and roll might have to share it's spotlight with other genres, but it's still very much alive and well.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 12:52
I feel the same way. Can't work out if music's in a funk, or I'm in one
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 13:15
Some places are bastions of certain kinds of music. There will always ('always' in this case being a relative term) be classical music in Vienna and Salzburg; Chicago will always have the blues, New Orleans will have jazz, Nashville will have country, and St Louis will have a bit of blues and jazz and r&r. In the article that Dean posted, the author writes that "the performance of particular genres of music that are more popular in some larger markets, such as the US and Japan, will also be reflected on a global level because of the high share of retail sales in those markets." Music bought in much of the world remains pirated, so the true share of the global population that listens to r&r is, I suspect, much smaller than on the graph. (In China, it's all pirated. However, Chinese love pop and they love rock, so I think if it gets sorted, rock may be secure for quite a while...) I don't know about India... Is the music mainly pirated there? India's the second most populated country in the world, yet their music isn't really reflected in the polls...? I'm willing to bet that not a lot of people in Africa listen to r&r - whether it's the north African Arabic countries, the music hotbeds of Nigeria, Mali, Senegal, Kenya, etc. or South America, much of Asia, India...
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 13:33
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Well, seeing the rising of a Metal scene in North Africa (especially Algeria and Tunisia) and having in mind the Touareg Blues/Rock acts such as Tinariwen or Tanakrift, one can bet that Rock music will find its way on a new international audience - only flavoured with local "perfumes". After all, there had been some Rock scenes in most of the regions of the world, it had just been forgotten. Some labels released compilations of Indonesian Hard / Funk / Pop bands, 60's Pop from Saïgon or Iraq, etc... |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 13:36
It's not just St Louis, though; I used it as an example because that's where I live and I can name bands in the local music scene. You find rock bands in any city, though. The point being that every city has plenty of people who love rock music, and plenty of rock bands, and that the fact that this music isn't in the mainstream doesn't mean it's dead; similarly to prog, which is no longer a mainstream genre like it was in the early 70's (although there are still popular prog bands like Radiohead and DT) but, if anything, is thriving artistically more than ever. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 13:57
I've spent some time in Indonesia and Vietnam, and in both places you see quite a lot of people strumming acoustic guitars. During a Tet Festival holiday in Vietnam I stayed with a family, and they broke out the guitars and sang Vietnamese versions of songs like "House of the Rising Sun" and other golden nuggets. I came across quite a few bands in Bali; not so much in Java or Sumatra though... (although I don't know nearly enough about Indonesia to speak with any kind of authority; I was there to hear some gamelan anyway, climb Mount Bromo, explore Jakharta, Yogyakarta, Borobudur, Prambanan, the island of Bali, etc. :-) But, if you go to a place like Bali or Bangkok, you'll find all kinds of bootlegged CDs of your favorite electronic acts and rock acts - but it's mainly sold for the backpackers and tourists. Once you get further away from Khao San Road in Bangkok, or the city center in Chiang Mai, for example, I'm not sure much of the local population is listening to DJ Shadow, Aphex Twin, or Radiohead...
The music I've heard by Tinariwen, I'm not sure I'd classify that as rock. Dimi Mint Abba and Ali Farka Toure added electric instrumentation that might appeal to rock audiences, as did Baaba Maal & Mansour Seck, but I'm not sure it's music that one would classify as rock... maybe I'm wrong though... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 14:20
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 15:36
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Everything dies. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 18:09
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Another thing to keep in mind is Rock, much like Hip-hop, is an entirely doable form of music, which is to say unlike Jazz, classical or Pop, it can be learned and played by those who are untrained or young. This maintains a certain level of both product and interest in these, if you will, folk musics. Kids will always play and be able to play rock, punk, rap, etc. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 19:22
Piracy definitely 'rules' in India and that has been the case even before the mp3 age. At small time music stores, they would make and sell duplicate copies of albums at a lower price (and retain the legit copy to sell to anybody idealistic enough to still buy it). Or pirated videotapes, etc. With that said, rap/hip-hop never really took off in India barring a brief phase when Eminem seemed to get a bit of a following. A very small percentage of population listens to Western music in India but rock/pop is definitely the biggest group within that. There is a niche following for jazz and classical - small but well off and live shows of these genres generally attract good audiences. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 19:57
You get this far, and yet can't see the logical conclusion: Music has stagnated. It's not 'the industry'. It's even more apparent in the mainstream because it has to be conservative there, but the problem is necessarily going to be there overall too. Music is more formulaic and typical everywhere, mainstream or not. I'm not surprised pop and rock are still the most popular, as they have a great, accessible form to them without being too simplistic and monotonous. However, you have to take into account that people buying rock are more often a bit older and into physical product, and are anti-piracy, and all for "supporting the artists" etc.
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 20:09
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The metal scene is huge right now in Finland and Sweeden. Can't see it dying there anytime soon. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 20:12
Wow, way off.
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 20:23
| It's a mathematical certainty. Only really 'out there' genres can manage to grasp a slight amount of novelty, overall. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 20:37
| I hesitate to make what might seem to be a logical conclusion because I haven't nearly heard all the Western music of today, let alone all the MUSIC. So I don't want to comment on what I don't know. But even in the mainstream, artists like Fiona Apple or Everything Everything are quite original. It's just that generally speaking, the mainstream is pretty stagnant and staid these days. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 21:15
The music industry is in crisis, not because "music has stagnated," as you say (whether it has or not is beside the point), but because technology has drastically changed, and no one needs to buy music anymore. James Blake put it quite succinctly just a month or so a go, when his new CD's sales were abysmal. From the Guardian: `Musician http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/james-blake" rel="nofollow - James Blake thinks he knows what will happen when his second album is released tomorrow: the majority of us will download it for free. "And why wouldn't you?" The 24-year-old Londoner accepts digital piracy as a plain fact of his industry, irreversible and so embedded it's hardly worth him hand-wringing. "My label [Universal] is hoping that on 8 April you'll do the right thing and click the 'Buy' button," he says. "You should see what they're doing online just to get people to look at the 'Buy' button. I'm starting not to care, to be honest. Things are changing. The ship" – he means the music business – "isn't just going down. There are people trapped inside, bashing on the windows trying to get out." [...] `"The pre-sales on the new album are hideous. Hideous. Everyone's waiting for it to leak." Almost as bad, he says, half of the album has been streamed or otherwise previewed online already, an effort by the label to stir interest that, absurdly, left the same label feeling cheated, as if there was no longer enough fresh material on the product Blake submitted. Concerned they'd be left like "door-to-door salesmen trying to sell doors", Universal sought to squeeze extra songs out of him. "And when you've spent a year and a half on a [10-track] album," Blake says, "you don't want to be told to write five new bonus tracks." http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/apr/07/james-blake-interview-overgrown?" rel="nofollow - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/apr/07/james-blake-interview-overgrown?
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 05:09
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Uuuhh... By the way, who the hell is James Blake? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 05:14
...no relation to William Blake? or Roj Blake  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 06:51
No wonder, who wants to buy a full album of Rap
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 08:56
 William Blake is awesome. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:16
 People who like rap. They exist somewhere in the universe. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:26
How can anyone not like rap?
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:38
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The night I saw Ray Manzarek (in the 90s), he told the audience from the stage...
"could we please just admit that this rap garbage is not art"
I wonder if he ever changed his view on that in later years....
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:40
You can bet if Jim Morrison were alive now, he'd be a rapper
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:43
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...and if he were made of cellophane he'd be a wrapper... or if he worked in Amazon's packing department he'd be a wrapper. ...or if he tested door knockers he'd be a rapper ...or if he lived on Easter Island he'd be a rapa ------------- What? |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:43
| Densmore is my hero in the Doors. He's the only one who kept them from whoring their songs to the highest bidder. Well, he and Jim. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:45
. True enough  (If he were a German worker at Amazon, he'd be a striking wrapper ;-) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/14/amazon-strike-germany" rel="nofollow - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/14/amazon-strike-germany
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:59
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Maybe Rock'n'Roll SHOULD die right now. To say the truth, I'm quite fed up with all the mythology around this music. |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:05
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To adapt Mogwai: "rock & roll will never die, but you will."
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:07
| The Rubinoos said many years ago "Rock'n'roll is dead and we don't care". |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:18
Oh come on now. You don't feel that way. Do you? ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:32
Oh, yeah, I DO feel that way. Kill your idols, they said, it will be fun, they said. And, then, what happened? A new generation of heroes, prophets, idols, martyrs, etc... But still nearly no one to launch a reflexion about the musical industry, the way concerts are organised, how learning to play AND what learning, the boundaries between genres, the integration of "minorities" in the said industry, etc... MUSIC HAS AN UGLY SIDE AND NO ONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH THE UGLY SIDE. |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:43
So you do feel that way.
Seriously though. It sounds like you are more pissed off with the music industry and its controlling forces rather than the actual music itself. I'm I right to say that? Hey listen, I agree. The music industry is sooooo ugly that some actually consider it good looking. Sad fools.  ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:55
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No, I'm also genuinely pissed off with the idolization of normal people who start to believe they're the center of the universe just because some simpletons amazed by the wonderfuuuul guitar solo at the end of this niiiiice ballad sung by the awesome singer about his break-up with his former girlfriend. The misbehavings of the music industry just adds a bitterness to the awful taste I have in my mouth. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 11:18
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Rock & Roll will eventually die, but not until the original Rock & Rollers stop playing. That means Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, and Little Richard. All three of those guys are still playing gigs in 2013.
Young upstarts like Paul McCartney, The Rolling Stones, and Status Quo can bugger off. ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 11:43
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Rock & Roll will never die. Soul Music will never die. Jazz will never die. Bach will never die. Hip Hop and Rap will never die. Blues will never die. Country Western will never die. Prog will never die. All music is eternal. ------------- http://larree.ws" rel="nofollow - The Larree (dot) Website |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 12:00
I've got some bad news for you. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 12:02
| ^ Liberace is dead? F$%k him! |
Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 17:27
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 17:36
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..and the latest news in from Leipzig... the family of Johann Sebastian Bach regretfully announce that after 263 years, he is still dead. ------------- What? |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 19:02
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Who told it was Johannes Sebastian Bach that was talked about? .... On the other hand, all the Bach I can found informations about are dead...  |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 19:28
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PDQ Bach is still alive.
But since the music Larreeeeee posted was The Well Tempered Clavier then JS Bach was the Bach he was talking about. ------------- What? |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 21:35
It's dead, Jim!!! |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 21:42
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I'm sure if Bach wasn't a flap of 328 year old skin stretched across a metal frame, He'd be a rapper Jay-B |
Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 21:50
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Come on, peeps. You all know what I am talking about. ------------- http://larree.ws" rel="nofollow - The Larree (dot) Website |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 22:13
| Everybody's talking about the new sound, funny, but it's still rock and roll to me |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 11:14
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 11:51
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I can Iive without rock, but I can't live without Prog-rock. Bands that sound like the stones, the animals, Harlequin and Bryan Adams I can live without. It's been done and I don't need any more of it.
My vote is i could care a less. Glad it's a dying breed. Remember folks, too much of anything is not good for you except prog of course. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:01
I disagree. Everything gets boring if you listen to it all the time. I can hardly listen to most of the music I used to listen to. And I still love it, but I can't listen to most of it. I put a Yes album on, or ELP, or even some old Genesis, and I am bored stiff in minutes. I can spin most of this stuff in my head without playing the discs or tapes. So if "rock" is dead, so is prog. It's all dead.
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Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:31
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... continuing... The cool thing about this site is that I am getting turned on to newer music that I have never heard, and older music that I missed when it was new. Especially the Italian stuff. And no matter how old it may be, it is still fresh if you've never heard it before. ------------- http://larree.ws" rel="nofollow - The Larree (dot) Website |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:51
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That's why I try hard not to over-listen to anything, to keep it fresh, no matter how much I like it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 16:08
I find it funny you mention Harlequin, seeing as afaik they are barely even known in their home land of Canada. Unless there are more than one Harlequins, in which case, nevermind
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 19:55
Exactly. That's why I am careful not to overplay Echoes. I don't want to feel tired of listening to it again and again, so maybe once a year I listen to it and enjoy it as much, if not more, as I did the first time I heard it. I didn't listen to DSOTM at all for two years and when I did again a few months back, loved it all over again.
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:48
Nope. That's the one!! You got it. Yeah. I just feel harlequin are such a typical sounding classic rock band. I used them as an example to represent my point. Paying homage. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:54
Ya man. I see your point and totally understand how you can feel that way. Although, I am at a point in my life where I can't imagine any of my favourites that I love so dearly, getting stale or boring for that matter. I guess age may have something to do with that. I've been an avid listener of music since I was 17 years old and I'm now 32, so I'm still quite young. Thus it makes me wonder if I will still adore genesis, dream theater and Saviour machine when I'm say...60? I might be naive to say, yeah I think I will!!!  ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:59
I love this cite. It's my bible for prog Info. I've discoverd so many prog-metal bands here that I love still today. Also, I think the forums are great. Lots of knowledgable, smart and nice people on PA. You feel part of a family after a while. Actually, for the longest time I would just read what was on the site and never consider becoming a member. I don't know why I waited so long. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 00:50
Haha I was just gonna say.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 01:32
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Bryan Adams
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 23:02
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It ain't no noise pollution either!
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 23:07
Ok. Let's not get crazy. We all know it's MEATLOAF.
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 23:08
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In all seriousness though, there's still some great Rock music coming out, especially new sounds in Metal, but I think the most interesting music coming out now is in the Electronic field, and yeah Hip-Hop. They certainly are becoming more popular now than ever, and you can just see it. It's just with technology now, you can do so much more now - infinite possibilities, for better or for worse. That's why I listen to guys like Burial, James Blake, Boards Of Canada, because those guys are really pushing boundaries, in all aspects. In ways Rock music couldn't even achieve. -------------
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 11:55
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8A9LunXRM&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - Whole lotta shakin' going on ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 12:08
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There's a fascinating article by Richard Florida on The Atlantic Monthly website. It's entitled "The Geography of America's Pop Music/Entertainment Complex." While this study is only concerned with music in the US, it pretty much backs up what Dean had posted, that rock and roll is far and away the biggest genre. What I find most interesting is that Los Angeles is the cultural and economic hegemon for music in the US, far outdistancing NYC or Chicago or any other city. "The digital shift in the music and entertainment industry — and the tremendous decline in sales — has only reinforced L.A.'s dominance in the pop music and pop culture complex. Instead of spreading out and flattening the geography of popular music industry places, the digital revolution has heightened L.A.'s hegemony." Even more interesting is his theory: "L.A.'s dominance reflects the rise of popular music as a critical component of the broader nexus of celebrity culture. As University of Southern California's http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/experts/1425.html" rel="nofollow - Elizabeth Currid-Halkett painstakingly documents in her book http://www.amazon.com/Starstruck-Business-Celebrity-Elizabeth-Currid-Halkett/dp/B006LWGE9M" rel="nofollow - Starstruck: The Business of Celebrity, L.A. has evolved beyond a film and television production complex into the center for the production of celebrity. A large and growing fraction of these celebrities — Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Beyoncé, Rihanna and the like — have a platform in popular music, and L.A. is their dominant location. As such, it has evolved a broad infrastructure devoted to the production and dissemination of celebrity culture, spanning websites, social media, talk shows, gossip, and paparazzi-driven television fare like TMZ and E! as well as reality talent shows. "New York is a distant second in this pop music and pop culture landscape. It tops only one genre, jazz, which attracts a narrower, older, and more highly educated audience, while placing second behind L.A. in six categories — Rock, Pop, Electronic, Latin-Caribbean, Folk, and Experimental — and third in Urban. This is despite the fact that New York is considerably bigger economically than L.A., has many major network news broadcasts and talk shows such as Late Show with David Letterman, Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, Jon Stewart's The Daily Show, and Stephen Colbert's The Colbert Report, has an ongoing role in rap and hip-hop, and is also home to Brooklyn, a leading center for upscale Indie music." http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2013/05/geography-americas-pop-musicentertainment-complex/5219/#slide1" rel="nofollow - http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2013/05/geography-americas-pop-musicentertainment-complex/5219/#slide1 |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 12:15
| Ah, thanks to this article, I think having understood what the "Urban" term means: it's just Hip-Hop & Rap watered down. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 12:17
I think Urban in this case means "black music," and refers to hip-hop, soul, and R&B. |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 12:56
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 17:19
I don't think I could make it that long...............
 But here's Neil's take on R&R.........
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 17:53
I find this so interesting cause if I find a sound that I really gravitate towards and that band has all the goods for me I really don't obstain from listening to it for very long. This is in large part to myself a ton of other bands and not getting the same feeling of musical goosebumps or satisfaction if you will. I would say that I have a core of at least 10 bands that I keep in circulation, but I still explore and listen to other bands as well. All in all I can say I've really found my sound and I know what works for me but I still,like you guys, enjoy exploring other stuff.  ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |