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Slartibartfast
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Topic: Liberals Vs. Conservatives Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:23 |
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives It is difficult to define a whole school of political ideology precisely, but one may reasonably define liberalism (as opposed to conservatism) in the contemporary United States as the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others. In the modern political and economic context, this willingness usually translates into paying higher proportions of individual incomes in taxes toward the government and its social welfare programs. Liberals usually support such social welfare programs and higher taxes to finance them, and conservatives usually oppose them. Defined as such, liberalism is evolutionarily novel. Humans (like other species) are evolutionarily designed to be altruistic toward their genetic kin, their friends and allies, and members of their deme (a group of intermarrying individuals) or ethnic group. They are not designed to be altruistic toward an indefinite number of complete strangers whom they are not likely ever to meet or interact with. This is largely because our ancestors lived in a small band of 50-150 genetically related individuals, and large cities and nations with thousands and millions of people are themselves evolutionarily novel. The examination of the 10-volume compendium The Encyclopedia of World Cultures, which describes all human cultures known to anthropology (more than 1,500) in great detail, as well as extensive primary ethnographies of traditional societies, reveals that liberalism as defined above is absent in these traditional cultures. While sharing of resources, especially food, is quite common and often mandatory among hunter-gatherer tribes, and while trade with neighboring tribes often takes place, there is no evidence that people in contemporary hunter-gatherer bands freely share resources with members of other tribes. Because all members of a hunter-gatherer tribe are genetic kin or at the very least friends and allies for life, sharing resources among them does not qualify as an expression of liberalism as defined above. Given its absence in the contemporary hunter-gatherer tribes, which are often used as modern-day analogs of our ancestral life, it may be reasonable to infer that sharing of resources with total strangers that one has never met or is not likely ever to meet – that is, liberalism – was not part of our ancestral life. Liberalism may therefore be evolutionarily novel, and the Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely than less intelligent individuals to espouse liberalism as a value. Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8. Even though past studies show that women are more liberal than men, and blacks are more liberal than whites, the effect of childhood intelligence on adult political ideology is twice as large as the effect of either sex or race. So it appears that, as the Hypothesis predicts, more intelligent individuals are more likely to espouse the value of liberalism than less intelligent individuals, possibly because liberalism is evolutionarily novel and conservatism is evolutionarily familiar. The primary means that citizens of capitalist democracies contribute their private resources for the welfare of the genetically unrelated others is paying taxes to the government for its social welfare programs. The fact that conservatives have been shown to give more money to charities than liberals is not inconsistent with the prediction from the Hypothesis; in fact, it supports the prediction. Individuals can normally choose and select the beneficiaries of their charity donations. For example, they can choose to give money to the victims of the earthquake in Haiti, because they want to help them, but not to give money to the victims of the earthquake in Chile, because they don’t want to help them. In contrast, citizens do not have any control over whom the money they pay in taxes benefit. They cannot individually choose to pay taxes to fund Medicare, because they want to help elderly white people, but not AFDC, because they don’t want to help poor black single mothers. This may precisely be why conservatives choose to give more money to individual charities of their choice while opposing higher taxes. Incidentally, this finding substantiates one of the persistent complaints among conservatives. Conservatives often complain that liberals control the media or the show business or the academia or some other social institutions. The Hypothesis explains why conservatives are correct in their complaints. Liberals do control the media, or the show business, or the academia, among other institutions, because, apart from a few areas in life (such as business) where countervailing circumstances may prevail, liberals control all institutions. They control the institutions because liberals are on average more intelligent than conservatives and thus they are more likely to attain the highest status in any area of (evolutionarily novel) modern life. |
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Dean
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:29 | ||
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” - Winston Churchill |
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What?
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smartpatrol
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:42 | ||
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:56 | ||
I don't know. Which group relies on sweeping generalizations?
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timothy leary
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 19:02 | ||
^ Both
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 19:04 | ||
Exactly. |
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smartpatrol
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 19:05 | ||
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 19:54 | ||
That's a cool quote and you all know where I'm at. |
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thellama73
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 20:04 | ||
This is a ridiculously trollish poll even for you Slarti. What's next, are whites more intelligent than blacks?
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 20:26 | ||
Of course not; more annoying maybe, but not more intelligent. Seems to me there are 'classes' of politics, with people of all ignorances, misinformations, and emotional reactionism participating in all the political parties.
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zappaholic
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 24 2006 Location: flyover country Status: Offline Points: 2822 |
Posted: July 29 2012 at 20:43 | ||
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 21:19 | ||
Liberals, because they have gone to college and experienced culture and opinions like how Africa is poor because America.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 22:27 | ||
Well, that's just not the kind of poll I would make because it would be racist. I put up the poll and quoted probably too much from the article, so feel free to knock down the points and made and post a racist poll if you are so inclined. But maybe as a spoiled little rich kid you aren't up to it.... Edited by Slartibartfast - July 29 2012 at 22:29 |
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thellama73
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 22:30 | ||
I am not so inclined. I don't have much interest in taking the bait for your attempted flame war either. The only thing I'll say is that IQ does not measure intelligence. It measures how good you are at taking IQ tests. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 22:36 | ||
Seriously Brian? Did you really just say that? |
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: July 29 2012 at 22:38 | ||
It has a deep subtext only diehard Liberals would understand.
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Anthony H.
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 23:11 | ||
Conservatives are less politically intelligent, yes. But less intelligent overall? That would be an absurd generalization. There are different forms of intelligence that manifest themselves in very different ways.
Edited by Anthony H. - July 29 2012 at 23:13 |
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The T
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 23:41 | ||
Brian the only impression one could get from some of your comments in this poll is that, regardless of your creed, you are not that intelligent.
Edited by The T - July 30 2012 at 00:46 |
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: July 30 2012 at 00:08 | ||
take the bait
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Tapfret
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 00:10 | ||
The poll does not include an option for those of us not stupid enough to be pigeon-holed. A proper application of ethics requires consideration from both points of view. Thus the bifurcation of politics along these lines is inherently flawed and only serves to divide and conquer for the benefit of the ruling class. And I question the intelligence of anybody who feels that either political perspective is in any way represented by those within the U.S. government.
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