Please Vote In My Poll

about the Live8 Tickets for sale on this site...

follow this link:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8115&a mp;PN=1

and,please no sarcasm.

Snow Dog wrote: I have Pmd u Tone, but why has your thread from yesterday been deleted?

That's a good question: I was trying to find it this morning. When I saw it was no longer here I was happy thinking that the threads on tickets trade had also dissapeared... but very soon I found some of them

Eighth NO vote is mine BTW... OMG, I promise it has nothing to do with Octavarium!!!

nice, we have the poll and the discusion about the poll seperate

oops sorry, did it again.

I don't mind the ticket's being sold, once you have such a ticket it's yours to use, or give away, or sell for that matter.

A lot of people would like to go, but have no ticket's, some people who have such ticket's may not want to go, or don't have the time, or only see the potential money that can be made through selling, maybe even they desperatly need that money for grossery shopping.

I'm not the person to judge other's people's objectives and reasons.

But, if a person for one reason or another has a ticket, but decides not to go himself, should he just throw the ticket's away, give them for free to someone else, or sell them, so the ones who want to go the most desperate, and can afford it will pay the prise they are willing to pay for such an event. no problem with selling those ticket's from me.

The world isn't fair, I don't have a ticket, and I would love to go, but it's not going to happen

However,

Is this site developed for use as a market place, where people at will can go and promote their merchandise? Maybe not, but it is one of the possibilities a forum offeres, to bring people together in the same way a marketplace does.

If I wanted to sell my prog-collection (which I don't), would it be ok, if I started a thread announcing I wanted to sell it, would there be people who'll be offended, or would there be people who consider it a chance to get a good collection for a reasonable price?

Some people on this forum might just appreciate such a chance to see PF perform together again, of course it feels unjust that a lot of money will change hands over the back of an  in nature charity concert.

Spamming is not permitted, but I don't know if it is spamming, apparently some (if not many/all) find it imorral, but if the offered article/ticket can be considered something the auther can expect the audience are genuinly interested in, and don't make more than one post concerning his selling attempt, I don't see the real problem (besides a possible moral one).

Maybe we should have a specified forum/thread where, all posts that have the intend of selling something will be posted. apply a simple rule, every selling attempt outside the specified thread will get deleted immediatly, and maybe even one should be a forum member for at least a certain time, this way we can both avoid one-time spammers, simple legitimate reason for the moderators to delete questionable posts, and the forum members who are not interested in such things can simply block the thread, or ignore it.

this all isn't completely my opinion, in fact I agree with Tony_R on most, but there's always a but, and I wanted to state this.

sorry for the long read, I don't expect many people to agree with me, but this is an opinion.

(BTW voted NO, for other reasons than those stated here) 

gdub411 wrote: I am a trend bucker and voted YES!

Hey,I'm serious about this!

I've Pm'd Maani-if he doesnt remove the posts by midnight I'm outta here for good!

And I mean it.

gdub411 wrote: Okay Tony, I believe you and would be saddened to see you go but why? What's the big deal?

The big deal is this:

the sale of these tickets is obviously wrong.

My position:

Having been on this site for nearly 12 months I have been involved in all sorts of battles,rows,arguments,debates and discussions. I have been consistent on the stance I have taken on the " I'm alright-nothing else matters" people out there.The same ones who will bleat like stuck pigs over a perceived slight.Threats to "report" me for a joke taken the wrong way. Pages and pages of "concern" because their band has been mocked, their feelings hurt.People posting polls to have me ejected,hints from moderators that my position on this forum has been "discussed",apologies from me when I have stepped out of line,mocked for trying to show people that there are more important issues than how much tax we pay or who is getting what and why.Yeah, it's all just a game to many and maybe it should be,but once you've drawn a line in the sand you dont just cross it to avoid being seen as over-reacting or over-dramatic.This is called integrity, a word that I feel is important in my life.

How many people have threatened to leave this site because of arguments over prog bands? Is this more important than allowing parasites to profit from that which has been given for free? The whole point of LIVE8 is the issue of Third World Debt,and after months and months of banter on this site over Capitalism,Bush and Right Wing Politics,the chickens have now come home to roost.

I for one am happy to make this stand against the parasitic vermin who infest every moment of modern life.The fast buck,f**k you merchants.Well I'm sick of it and if this is the only gesture I can make then so be it.

For the love of all that is right remove those posts!!!!!

Please.

Ohh and if any of you still have any doubts,please read these:

stboy24 Newbie Joined: 2005 June 20 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 5	Posted: 2005 June 28 at 11:20pm | IP Logged Charity begins at home. Bono and Geldof are ego maniacs like Princess Dianna.
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stboy24 Newbie Joined: 2005 June 20 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 5	Posted: 2005 June 28 at 11:24pm | IP Logged 100 % donated to the "Stboy24 needs a holiday charity". or to "stboy24 sexual relief " or to "GMAFB"  (give me a few beers)
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stboy24 Newbie Joined: 2005 June 20 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 5	Posted: 2005 June 28 at 11:26pm | IP Logged Get your Live8 tickets here x 2 [email protected]   Give an African something to aspire to.

Doesn't it make you glad to be a member of the human race....not!!!

Oh and I've just been PM'd by someone asking me if I am making this stand because I am jealous !!!!!!!

I have always hated scalping anyway (I am glad Nearfest will officaly only allow people to resell their tickets for what they paid).  But to scalp free tickets to a charity event of all things just hits me as being very wrong.  It makes no difference if you believe in the cause of what they are supporting or not it is just wrong. 

Good for you Tony. 

(I would do it to but no one would notice I was gone. )