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ExittheLemming
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Topic: Are You a Hippie ? Posted: January 23 2010 at 18:18 |
Although some may consider that Progressive Rock and hippies go together like fluff and velcro, I get the impression from reading many of the forum posts and album reviews that there is an abiding sympathy with the broader ideals reflected in the so called 'Summer of Love' by youth in the late 60's.
Given that the term hippie is believed to have its origin in hip and hipster, we could even source such an ideology from 1940's jazz, where the term was frequently used, and the Beatniks of the 1950's whose cultural dissent must have influenced the subsequent 'flower power' generation.
Identification with eastern mysticism, an anti-authoritarian world-view, pacifistic politics, non-conformity to social conditioning, awareness of environmental issues, fantasy literature and movies etc are just some of the themes that frequently appear on PA.
SO
Do hippies still exist (under the age of 40 ?)
What exactly is a hippie and does the term have any relevance in 2010 ?
Do you consider yourself a hippy ? (and if not try to explain your reason/s)
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 18:31 |
Historically speaking, like you eluded to Iain, I suspect the term
'hippie' ended up as meaning an unwashed pot smoker who delighted in
things others could not see much worth in - like the Grateful Dead -
quite unlike the original meaning which was more general and usually
referred to anyone who enjoyed things like jazz, poetry, beads, or old
clothes, and not associated with something political or even very
cultural.
As someone who grew up in S.F. in the 70s, I considered myself a hippie until I no longer wanted to sleep on someone's beer-soaked carpet after a night of, well, I don't remember... my point is that true hippiedom is a rough road of poverty, day-to-day survival, various addictions, all highlighted by the occasional good moments with friends and quality drugs.
Edited by Atavachron - January 23 2010 at 18:36
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 18:40 |
I can't answer your first two questions, but I still hate hippies. GET A JOB!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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jammun
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 18:41 |
^^ Have sudden urge to listen to FZ's We're Only In It For the Money
"First I will buy some beads..."
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 18:49 |
Maybe this is unfair to the upstanding scholars of Eastern religions, psychadelic music, and modern poetry, but it is my impression that a core element of hippiedom is heavy drug use. If you want to waste your life away in a drug-addled haze, you are free to do so, but I am also free to judge you. ;-)
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:07 |
naah, too much of a rebel even then! My pals were into incense, beards, hindu shirts and jeans but I was already a romantic , well dressed guy with long hair but never any jeans! Going to Europe was better than being stoned all the time!
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:11 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Maybe this is unfair to the upstanding scholars of Eastern religions, psychadelic music, and modern poetry, but it is my impression that a core element of hippiedom is heavy drug use. If you want to waste your life away in a drug-addled haze, you are free to do so, but I am also free to judge you. ;-) |
The cynic under my fur would say that punks simply swapped weed for speed, but what you say I think is broadly true (I don't do recreational drugs, I think eastern philosophy kills two birds with the one stone by just also being really bad poetry and I can't abide hippies either) As much as I love Bill Hicks, he was plain vanilla wrong to suggest that his anti-drug audience members go home and burn all their favourite albums (as they couldn't have been created without drugs man) This stubborn idea of 'expanded consciousness' via external chemical agents as an aid to the creative process still prevails in many quarters. It is of course spurious bollocks ('good sh*t' might make 'bad sh*t' sound better to the listener I guess ? but who cares ?)
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:16 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
Maybe this is unfair to the upstanding scholars of Eastern religions, psychadelic music, and modern poetry, but it is my impression that a core element of hippiedom is heavy drug use. If you want to waste your life away in a drug-addled haze, you are free to do so, but I am also free to judge you. ;-) |
The cynic under my fur would say that punks simply swapped weed for speed, but what you say I think is broadly true (I don't do recreational drugs, I think eastern philosophy kills two birds with the one stone by just also being really bad poetry and I can't abide hippies either)
As much as I love Bill Hicks, he was plain vanilla wrong to suggest that his anti-drug audience members go home and burn all their favourite albums (as they couldn't have been created without drugs man) This stubborn idea of 'expanded consciousness' via external chemical agents as an aid to the creative process still prevails in many quarters. It is of course spurious bollocks ('good sh*t' might make 'bad sh*t' sound better to the listener I guess ? but who cares ?)
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I agree. I have nothing against the music itself, but I can't see the point in chemically tricking yourself into having a transcendental experience.
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:21 |
Well said. It doesn't take drugs to be creative. Just look at Zappa.
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jammun
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:41 |
So now we've decided that the hippie ethos, as it were, was merely getting as stoned as possible and listening to the Dead? OP rightly mentions interest in (for the time) alternative religious interest, pacifism (albeit, at the time, somewhat self-serving), environmental awareness, etc. We all know how it turned out, but let's give a bit of credit where it's due. If anyone here in the U.S. (me included) had the balls to stand up for what they believe in, we wouldn't be spending wha? 80 billion a year on wars.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:49 |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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jammun
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:52 |
Smoke pot, smell bad, invent progressive rock.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:53 |
There is a really good documentary on the period called It Was 20 Years Ago Today. That I recorded off TV and have subsequently put on a DVD by me. I don't why it hasn't been released on DVD, maybe it came out in VHS. But there is a book I haven't read, based on the documentary, I think.: There tends to be a lot of distortions about the time( the term "hippie" was coined back in '67, I do believe) mainly coming from conservatives who despise their liberalism. Most of the people who embraced that lifestyle, if you want to call it that, moved on killed themselves. Do hippies still exist (under the age of 40 ?) possibly, but I don't think you find hippies as they were back then, only some people that have embraced the ideals both good and bad. What exactly is a hippie and does the term have any relevance in 2010 ?The term itself only has historical relevance at this time. Do you consider yourself a hippy ? (and if not try to explain your reason/s)Well, look at my hair, read my opinions and make up your own minds. I was trying to find one of those.
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 23 2010 at 20:04
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:54 |
jammun wrote:
So now we've decided that the hippie ethos, as it were, was merely getting as stoned as possible and listening to the Dead? OP rightly mentions interest in (for the time) alternative religious interest, pacifism (albeit, at the time, somewhat self-serving), environmental awareness, etc. We all know how it turned out, but let's give a bit of credit where it's due. If anyone here in the U.S. (me included) had the balls to stand up for what they believe in, we wouldn't be spending wha? 80 billion a year on wars.
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except a real hippie never had the drive or interest required to
seriously become a Buddhist or to annoy Japanese fisherman in speeding
boats, that takes real commitment and usually involves people I would
not classify as 'hippies' or as those that were once, but matured.
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:57 |
The Pessimist wrote:
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Came here for Cartman. Leaving satisfied.
/hippies can't stand death metal
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jammun
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 19:59 |
Atavachron wrote:
jammun wrote:
So now we've decided that the hippie ethos, as it were, was merely getting as stoned as possible and listening to the Dead? OP rightly mentions interest in (for the time) alternative religious interest, pacifism (albeit, at the time, somewhat self-serving), environmental awareness, etc. We all know how it turned out, but let's give a bit of credit where it's due. If anyone here in the U.S. (me included) had the balls to stand up for what they believe in, we wouldn't be spending wha? 80 billion a year on wars.
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except a real hippie never had the drive or interest required to seriously become a Buddhist or to annoy Japanese fisherman in speeding boats, that takes real commitment and usually involves people I would not classify as 'hippies' or as those that were once, but matured.
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I admit I don't know. My only point was, hippie or not, we owe a lot to at least some of those '60's counter-culturists, hippie or otherwise. That also was my reason for referencing WOIIFTM, as FZ absolutely skewered the pretenders, while keeping hands off the righteous.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 20:08 |
Did I mention we've had to move into an apartment temporarily and the apartment number is 420? Fortunately, no dirty hippies have moved in with us.
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 23 2010 at 20:23
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 20:14 |
dude
I will say in defense of our ragged and red-eyed friends they embraced groups like Yes, Floyd, Tull and Crimson at a time when everyone else was too good for that stuff.
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jammun
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Posted: January 23 2010 at 20:14 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Did I mention we've had to move into an apartment temporarily and the apartment number is 420? |
For the really stoned, wouldn't that would be 110100100?
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Moogtron III
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 02:01 |
Jon Anderson still considered himself a hippie, at least in the ABWH days. But then again, he was being called the hippie with the iron fist in the '70's, which doesn't sound very hippie-like. According to him "hippie" comes from Hopi, the Indian tribe in which he was so interested. Oh, just trivial knowledge. No, I'm over 40 en never was a hippie. I belong to the taste public. Hippies made some great music, and paved the way for prog I think, and some proggers definitely were hippies (and maybe still are, like Daevid Allen?).
Slartibartfast wrote:
Do you consider yourself a hippy ? (and if not try to explain your reason/s) Well, look at my hair, read my opinions and make up your own minds.
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And look at the picture of your room in your sig.
Edited by Moogtron III - January 24 2010 at 02:01
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