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    Posted: October 25 2008 at 03:30
Well i see many threads of certain prog specific genres and when i start to hear (again) Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness i decide to start a thread of this wonderful, great music.

Maybe the mayority of PA fellow members will dislike this kind of music, but that's the reason to be here in General Music  Discussions.

So, i will start with mi first Thrash and recently rename maybe prog metal, album and that is Metallica, Ride The Lighting, a great album by all means.

The tracks that use to hear in those days (1984-88) was the fastest ones like Fight fire with fire and Trapped under Ice, with special mention to Creeping Death.

And then a whole world open when, along with Prog (my main music like), i found many heavy as hell bands, like Nuclear Assault, Venom, Sodom, Kreator, Destruction, Overkill, Anthrax, Slayer,Megadeth, Acid Reign, Sacred Reich, Exodus, Testament, Suicidal Tendencies, Death Angel, Dark Angel, Morbid Angel, etc.

So, please opinions and share of this kind of music.Wink






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2008 at 04:34
Rename it the "Extreme Metal Appreciation Thread"Smile
Oddly enough, we don't think there ever was a big thread about all, just topics on particular bands.

I think many regulars here are well aware of me being a metal fan... never been big on power metal (probably only about 1 or 2 bands in the genre I regularly listen too) and the more more melodic metal genres, but always more of a fan of the extreme metal genres.

I love listening to the stuff, and playing it on guitar too, and hopefully I will start my own/join an extreme metal band a few years down the track.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2008 at 06:29
I agree with Hughes, much better to call it the extreme metal thread. Most "heavy metal" fans don't dig these genres too much except the more accessible side of thrash and doom.  I am a big fan of thrash metal and late 80s- mid 90s death metal. There may be others here who can put me to shame with how much they have explored these genres but for all it's worth, here are some thrash gems that anybody who likes thrash should check out if they haven't already:

Rigor Mortis - Rigor Mortis
Forbidden - Forbidden Evil
Hypnosia - Extreme Hatred
Torture Squad - Pandemonium
Fastkill - Infernal Thrashing Holocaust
Torture - Storm Alert
Artillery - By Inheritance

I would mention Morbid Saint but their popularity in internet circles has shot up so much recently that it seems redundant to talk them up anymore.

Turning to death metal now,

Gorement - The Ending Quest
Seance - Saltrubbed Eyes
Bloodstone - Hour of The Gate
Nunslaughter - Hell's Unholy Fire
Deathevokation - The Chalice of Ages
Massacra - Final Holocaust

It's possible you are aware of these albums already, in that case I don't in any case claim to be a know-it-all.  Please note that the recommendations are not given from the point of view of "Prog" but from the point of view of "extreme metal".  So, many of these albums will be raw, visceral and not high on technicality or even differentiation but a hardcore fan of extreme metal will doubtless dig these albums.  Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2008 at 07:47
It may sound funny, but I think I began listening to death-metal before thrash-metal, maybe Napalm Death before Metallica or Slayer. Even nowadays, I'm more interested in death-metal than in thrash-metal. Well, at least, I would rather listen to tech-death than retro-thrash!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2008 at 08:20
So many favourites to include in one thread.

top gems that come into mind are:

1. Testament - The Gathering
2. Metal Church - Same
3. Arch Enemy - Black Earth
4. Dark Tranquillity - Mind's I
5. At the Gates - Slaughter of The Soul
6. Pantera - Vulgar Display of Power
7. The Haunted - ...Made me Do it
8. Nevermore - All discs...
9. Annihilator - Never , Neverland

and the best 00's metal release IMHO

Machine Head - The Blackening Evil Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2008 at 16:13
Pig Destroyer makes some fantastic, brutal grindcore.  And somehow, despite standing in front of large, blasting amps has not made them deaf yet.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2008 at 16:40
well, thats pretty much my watering hole right there, I've never really took to calling anything "extreme Metal", to me its all just Metal, be it Heavy, Thrash, Death, Black, Doom whatever,

 I love Black Metal, and that along with Doom Metal are pretty much my favorite subgenres of Metal, I do love Death Metal but I've really had very little interest with it since about  93, I still love and listen to frequently the old great DM bands like Autopsy, Rottrevore, Nuclear Death, Nihilist, Incantation, Sadistic Intent, etc...I really just prefer my DM basic rugged and to the point,

I don't find as many interesting bands in BM anymore either though, the newer bands that I find interesting (like Circle of Ouroborus and Nuit Noire) you would probably bare even consider them BM, but I still love and listen to frequently old bands such as Venom, Hellhammer, Bathory, Profanatica, Blasphemy, early Samael, Burzum,  Root, Graveland, Belketre, Torgeist, etc
...I guess I do like some newer bands like Proclamation, Morbosidad and Blasphemophager just because they all do that Blasphemy style of BM so well

and Doom Metal of course, from the Traditional Doom Metal of Saint Vitus, Candlemass and Trouble, to the other styles of Doom hybrids out there Death/Doom, Funeral, Sludge, whatever, if anything I probably find the current Traditional Doom Metal scene draws out my excitement the most, Reverend Bizarre, Warning, The Lamp of Thoth, Hour of 13, Blood Ceremony, Reino Ermintano, The River, Jex Thoth, the mighty Pagan Altar, etc

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2008 at 16:42
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Nunslaughter - Hell's Unholy Fire


love the band, and the album, their best IMO Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

and Doom Metal of course, from the Traditional Doom Metal of Saint Vitus, Candlemass and Trouble, to the other styles of Doom hybrids out there Death/Doom, Funeral, Sludge, whatever, if anything I probably find the current Traditional Doom Metal scene draws out my excitement the most, Reverend Bizarre, Warning, The Lamp of Thoth, Hour of 13, Blood Ceremony, Reino Ermintano, The River, Jex Thoth, the mighty Pagan Altar, etc


That reminds me: Am I the only one who thinks Pagan Altar sound like what Jethro Tull eventually would have turned into if Tony Iommi had stayed in that band?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:23
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

and Doom Metal of course, from the Traditional Doom Metal of Saint Vitus, Candlemass and Trouble, to the other styles of Doom hybrids out there Death/Doom, Funeral, Sludge, whatever, if anything I probably find the current Traditional Doom Metal scene draws out my excitement the most, Reverend Bizarre, Warning, The Lamp of Thoth, Hour of 13, Blood Ceremony, Reino Ermintano, The River, Jex Thoth, the mighty Pagan Altar, etc


That reminds me: Am I the only one who thinks Pagan Altar sound like what Jethro Tull eventually would have turned into if Tony Iommi had stayed in that band?


haha! that makes sense to me, they have a sound that definitely 'lives in the past', its like when they initially broke up they sidestepped out of time, and reentered in 2004 to record music that's completely unaffected by any music trends that have come and gone since their break up in the early 80s
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:26
Looks like great minds think alike! Clap

Actually, I'd go a step further and say that Pagan Altar seem thoroughly unaffected by any music trends after the early 70s... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 14:36
They just have an "old" sound to them, like a bunch old hermits that have lived under a rock for the last 100 years all of a sudden surfaced to record some Heavy Metal music Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 15:03
Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

well, thats pretty much my watering hole right there, I've never really took to calling anything "extreme Metal", to me its all just Metal, be it Heavy, Thrash, Death, Black, Doom whatever,

 I love Black Metal, and that along with Doom Metal are pretty much my favorite subgenres of Metal, I do love Death Metal but I've really had very little interest with it since about  93, I still love and listen to frequently the old great DM bands like Autopsy, Rottrevore, Nuclear Death, Nihilist, Incantation, Sadistic Intent, etc...I really just prefer my DM basic rugged and to the point,

I don't find as many interesting bands in BM anymore either though, the newer bands that I find interesting (like Circle of Ouroborus and Nuit Noire) you would probably bare even consider them BM, but I still love and listen to frequently old bands such as Venom, Hellhammer, Bathory, Profanatica, Blasphemy, early Samael, Burzum,  Root, Graveland, Belketre, Torgeist, etc
...I guess I do like some newer bands like Proclamation, Morbosidad and Blasphemophager just because they all do that Blasphemy style of BM so well

and Doom Metal of course, from the Traditional Doom Metal of Saint Vitus, Candlemass and Trouble, to the other styles of Doom hybrids out there Death/Doom, Funeral, Sludge, whatever, if anything I probably find the current Traditional Doom Metal scene draws out my excitement the most, Reverend Bizarre, Warning, The Lamp of Thoth, Hour of 13, Blood Ceremony, Reino Ermintano, The River, Jex Thoth, the mighty Pagan Altar, etc


new black metal that you might not hate. . . - wolves in the throne room. raw, emotive, good. might want to try them out.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 15:06
and im surprised at how few of the bands listed here ive actually heard of, let alone listened to. yikes. but ive always been more of a fan of slower sludgey, stuff when it comes to metal. i want to get into grindcore though, its a lot of fun to listen to. anyone here a fan of the Locust? lol


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 17:38
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:


new black metal that you might not hate. . . - wolves in the throne room. raw, emotive, good. might want to try them out.



yeah, I've got both their albums, they get a lot of praise from outsiders, I never quite figured out if I like them or not...I just know I spend way too much money on CDs and thats got to stop, they're not bad (I thought Weakling was better), still not sure how they got into the Prog Archives they're tight musicians but they play a pretty standard Northern style of BM that many other bands have perfected long before they...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 17:46
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

and im surprised at how few of the bands listed here ive actually heard of, let alone listened to. yikes. but ive always been more of a fan of slower sludgey, stuff when it comes to metal. i want to get into grindcore though, its a lot of fun to listen to. anyone here a fan of the Locust? lol




I love The Locust man, I think their best stuff was the first album + all the EP and split EP stuff before they signed to Epitaph, Plague Soundscapes isn't bad...just not as explosive as their earlier stuff,  I haven't heard anything since Plague Soundscapes though

I saw them live twice, first time was in 96 I think - they sure did tear it up back then, they put  on such a brutal yet zanny show
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 18:16
ha ha id kill to see the locust live. talk about a fun show. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 18:17
The Locust? Well, if I can get through the masks and all that stuff... While I can listen to Bolt Thrower or Entombed for hours, I hardly can listen to a whole grindcore album, even if a good classic grindcore LP "mustn't" be longer than 25 minutes.

By the way, has Citizen released its second album? I didn't have heard of them for a long time. I guess Matt Widener is busy rehearsing with Cretin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 18:24
we'll see if Cretin will continue after Marissa's transformation, I hope they do, that would be awesome!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 18:32
On the website of Cretin, it is said they are working on new material. Moreover, on her blog, Marissa explained she will continue to do the vocals, as the sex-change operation has no impact on the voice. 
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