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    Posted: January 27 2023 at 05:30
Looks like the author of this was a bit of a prog fan, but there are obvious omissions.
Seems to me there are too many Zeppelin and Pink Floyd albums, where one of their best would have been enough.
Which ones would you have included?

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No Kansas, Zappa, Todd Rundgren, Gentle Giant, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, Tull, The Cars, etc. Not a list for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2023 at 06:29
not a bad list, but predictable usual candidates for this kind of mainstream list. 
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Looks like the author of this was a bit of a prog fan, but there are obvious omissions.
Seems to me there are too many Zeppelin and Pink Floyd albums, where one of their best would have been enough.
Which ones would you have included?

It's not anyone's actual list:

"Stacker compiled data on the best rock albums of the '70s and listed the top 50, according to Best Ever Albums, which ranks albums according to their appearance and performance on 40,000 editorial and data-based charts (e.g., Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, Billboard, etc.). The Best Ever Albums score is derived from a formula that weighs how many charts an album has appeared on and how high it reached on each of those charts and awards points accordingly"

-Tago Mago is the only album from outside the anglosphere, but I'm not surprised. Still, kind of nice to see that the "universally acclaimed" albums are mostly great ones.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2023 at 07:22
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Which ones would you have included?

Here may be some answer to your question when talking about non-Prog

15 of your fave non-Prog albums from the '70s? 
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Their metrics are pretty impressive! (Wish I knew how to write search engines like that!) Hard to argue with their data. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Still, kind of nice to see that the "universally acclaimed" albums are mostly great ones.

And how do you define "the great ones"?
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Still, kind of nice to see that the "universally acclaimed" albums are mostly great ones.

And how do you define "the great ones"?
I don't really. Except that I love at least half of those albums, and quite like pretty much the rest as well. The 70's like very decade, had a lot of crap music that sold more and was more popular than many of those on this list. I find it uplifting that these 50 albums that has stood the test of time are almost exclusively  quality releases - according to me. I trust my own ears and don't really care if you disagree. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2023 at 13:09
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Still, kind of nice to see that the "universally acclaimed" albums are mostly great ones.
And how do you define "the great ones"?
I don't really. Except that I love at least half of those albums, and quite like pretty much the rest as well. The 70's like very decade, had a lot of crap music that sold more and was more popular than many of those on this list. I find it uplifting that these 50 albums that has stood the test of time are almost exclusively  quality releases - according to me. I trust my own ears and don't really care if you disagree. 

Okay, so it was meant as a purely subjective statement, because it could seem to be meant as a more objective one.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Still, kind of nice to see that the "universally acclaimed" albums are mostly great ones.
And how do you define "the great ones"?
I don't really. Except that I love at least half of those albums, and quite like pretty much the rest as well. The 1970's - like very decade, had a lot of crap music that sold more and was more popular than many of those on this list. I find it uplifting that these 50 albums that has stood the test of time are almost exclusively  quality releases - according to me. I trust my own ears and don't really care if you disagree. 

Okay, so it was meant as a purely subjective statement, because it could seem to be meant as a more objective one.
Of course "kind of nice to see that the universally acclaimed albums are mostly great ones" is an opinion of sorts. But these are the 50 most universally acclaimed albums of the 1970's based on over 40 000 editorial and data-based charts. So what I'm saying is that in general consensus is good. Not really the best example of a purely subjective statement.

-Anyway this initial "claim" of mine (that obviously rubbed you the wrong way) is about as provocative as stating that the two first Godfather movies are great or something. Only a fool would reply with a "oh but that's purely subjective" to that - so what's your problem? I guess we sort of annoy each other. At least you annoy me. Maybe we should just leave each other alone?



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I really have no issue with this list, to me Tapestry is not a rock album but more a pop/folk album. To me this is list is pretty perfect to introduce someone to rock music of the 70's.
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Boston's debut should be in there somewhere as well as at least one Stranglers album but any list that has The Stooges in it is not something to be taken seriously anyway as far as I'm concerned. Don't mind the Clash or Sex Pistols though. Also far too much Neil Young and Bowie but no Deep Purple or Rainbow (does he hate Ritchie Blackmore lol)
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Had I had to estimate the number of charts around for this kind of thing, I'd probably have said something like 4,000 rather than 40,000. Curious what the inclusion criteria were here. Probably all anglophone? Of course chances are nobody here can tell me, but just note the number itself, while impressive, doesn't make this more reliable as "general consensus" as had there been 200 well chosen ones according to transparent criteria. (For example many of the 40,000 may have been far from general when it comes to inclusion criteria so that some albums could maybe have appeared in 10,000 of them, others just in 1,000, just because how they were set up.) I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this or could have done better, just my point is the sheer number isn't necessarily on its own a stamp of quality.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Maybe we should just leave each other alone?

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Had I had to estimate the number of charts around for this kind of thing, I'd probably have said something like 4,000 rather than 40,000. Curious what the inclusion criteria were here. Probably all anglophone? Of course chances are nobody here can tell me, but just note the number itself, while impressive, doesn't make this more reliable as "general consensus" as had there been 200 well chosen ones according to transparent criteria. (For example many of the 40,000 may have been far from general when it comes to inclusion criteria so that some albums could maybe have appeared in 10,000 of them, others just in 1,000, just because how they were set up.) I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this or could have done better, just my point is the sheer number isn't necessarily on its own a stamp of quality.
There's a link at the bottom of the article. When I look at Best Ever Albums all-time chart, it's very similar to RYM's all time chart. Seems to me if you collect enough data these are pretty much the albums you end up with. And it's not bad at all, but a little predictable and unexiting. As with Rotten Tomatoes for movies, I trust it's about as close to a consensus it's possible to get. But I don't trust consensus.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

There's a link at the bottom of the article. When I look at Best Ever Albums all-time chart, it's very similar to RYM's all time chart. Seems to me if you collect enough data these are pretty much the albums you end up with. And it's not bad at all, but a little predictable and unexiting. As with Rotten Tomatoes for movies, I trust it's about as close to a consensus it's possible to get. But I don't trust consensus.

Great, I should've read more thoroughly, then I would've found it myself.
Apparently everyone can register and submit their own chart, and they are not all anglophone.

I wouldn't refer to the list as a "consensus" though as those with very different lists were incorporated but didn't "consent". A law decided by parliament through democratic voting isn't a consensus either; those who lost the voting will normally still be against it.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

There's a link at the bottom of the article. When I look at Best Ever Albums all-time chart, it's very similar to RYM's all time chart. Seems to me if you collect enough data these are pretty much the albums you end up with. And it's not bad at all, but a little predictable and unexiting. As with Rotten Tomatoes for movies, I trust it's about as close to a consensus it's possible to get. But I don't trust consensus.

Great, I should've read more thoroughly, then I would've found it myself.

I wouldn't refer to the list as a "consensus" though as those with very different lists were incorporated but didn't "consent". A law decided by parliament through democratic voting isn't a consensus either; those who lost the voting will normally still be against it.
I didn't. I wrote it's about as close to a consensus that you can get. Which I believe is correct. These albums are "generally" agreed upon to represent "the best".

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Apparently everyone can register and submit their own chart, and they are not all anglophone.
No, I know. I wrote that in the top 50 for the 1970's presented (where data from all 50 000 or so lists had been collected), only one album was from outside the anglosphere (Can - Tago Mago).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2023 at 07:20
Very Anglo-saxon list, indeed, but well, that's where Rock came from. I wouldn't mind to see, e.g., Golden Earring's Moontan in it, or Focus II, but then... If it was a Dutch language site, or a French, Arab, Chinese or whatever non-English language site, the results would probably be a bit different.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2023 at 07:26
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Apparently everyone can register and submit their own chart, and they are not all anglophone.
No, I know. I wrote that in the top 50 for the 1970's presented (where data from all 50 000 or so lists had been collected), only one album was from outside the anglosphere (Can - Tago Mago).

Yeah, I was referring to my own earlier suspicion here, not to what you had written.
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