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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2841 |
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I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album of the 1970s. I want to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36940 |
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I would have to disagree with the premise, I think that were many great Canterbury Scene related albums that came later than all of these, and I think that the Canterbury Sound is still going strong.
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2841 |
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I continue to be a fan of the scene up until the present day (my last pre-lockdown gig was the excellent Soft Machine). I have seen many of these musicians post-1970s but their recorded output tends to be patchy and sporadic - much as I love them and I keep returning to their 70s prime.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36940 |
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Well, the output may be patchy and sporadic (with many), but that doesn't mean that there haven't been great Canterbury Scene and CS related albums throughout the decades. For a big name in the Canterbury Scene, I've loved a lot of Robert Wyatt's albums throughout the years. By the way expect some of your choices to be picked on as to whether they are Canterbury scene related enough to warrant representation. Edited by Logan - July 22 2020 at 01:41 |
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2841 |
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I am a Wyatt fan too (along with Ratledge, one of the key members of the scene I have not seen live) but I also tried to give the poll some integration with the late 70s timeframe. Maybe I should create an alternative poll to capture post 70s output...
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36940 |
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Or edit your initial post to make your intent clear since neither the title nor your opening post seem to indicate this late 70s timeframe. When you say "Last great Canterbury related album?" that indicates the latest possible album that could be considered great. I would totally disagree with what you read somewhere -- the "I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album". I'd be interested to know the source if you can recall, and if it's someone whose opinion should matter to me or is a respected authority. I read lots of things that I feel have low merit, and claims that are not backed up well with strong research or good arguments. Edited by Logan - July 22 2020 at 01:52 |
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2841 |
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Edit made. The quote came from either the Bill Martin or the Paul Stump books. Both scholarly and authoritative (and published in the 90s).
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36940 |
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Maybe those books have needed updating too. ![]() |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 42990 |
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I didn't know the band U.K were part of the Canterbury Scene.
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2841 |
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That first album is often considered related due to Bruford and Holdsworth...
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36940 |
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I guess that's what he means by related. I find the UK, the Camel (despite having Richard Sinclair on the album), the Henry Cow (I consider early Henry Cow to be Canterbury Sound related at least) additions to be unusual choices -- especially when choosing to make such a short list. Edited by Logan - July 22 2020 at 02:17 |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 42990 |
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Okay, thanks for the info. ![]() I was tempted to vote for Camel's "Breathless", because that's the only album I've actually listened to in the poll, but maybe I'll give U.K's debut album a listen first before I cast my vote.
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I've always considered Camel to be a Guildford Scene band.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36940 |
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^ That makes a lot more sense.
Or listen to the ones generally considered to be Canterbury Scene even if you don't generally like Canterbury Scene/ Sound music. Just a thought. Edited by Logan - July 22 2020 at 02:22 |
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I can see Rick1's point of ending the poll at the close of the 70's.
If Leg End clearly sounds Canterburyesque, WC certainly doesn't at all. It's a near-pure RIO (ala UZ & AZ) album, IMHO. Not sure Camel should've been included either (UK, I can see why) ===================== As for my choice, I hesitate between Heap and Queues. (It might've been useful to state the date of release, though)
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 42990 |
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I have a strong feeling that I'll like National Health's second album when I eventually get around to listening to it, because I reviewed their debut album recently and gave it four stars.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36940 |
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I wouldn;t have minded, it was just that the 70s timeframe was never mentioned. I still don't think that last great Canterbury Scene or Canterbury Scene related album came out in the late 70s, and I would question certain additions.
I'm actually confused now with the edits, did the book claim that "National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album" as originally stated or that it was "the last, great Canterbury album of the 1970s." |
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2841 |
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Lol! I have opened a hornet's nest with this one...I expected nothing else from the good folk of Prog Archives. I tend to use Calyx - Aymeric Leroy's excellent Canterbury website - as a reference point for what is considered Canterbury related so my choices are conditioned by that.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 42990 |
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I think I'm recognising my own ignorance when it comes to Canterbury Scene music, so maybe that makes me wiser.
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