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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17962 |
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Well we cannot please all...If MLB had a one and done WS game ala Super Bowl.....then way too many would complain, more than now.
As I said before, this is the post season, which is called the World Series. Regular season, Cards were not the best.
But in the season which they all play for they are the best.
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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The city of St. Louis is pretty friggin excited. What a season end. This team wasn't the best of the Pujols era but wow what guts.
Lance Berkman really is the man who deserves alot of credit. Freese obviously but he's going to be a legend. But I'd put Berkman as one of the big reasons we made it this far.
And Carpenter...one of my favorite Cardinals ever.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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Larusa has decided to retire. He will still come back to coach the occassional game against the Brewers, though, so that he can continue pitching at Ryan Braun's head. Not sure how he'll get his violent bloodlust out now that he's retired. Maybe he'll run Motte down with his car.
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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I read the Colorado Rockies management have been meeting with agents for Milton Bradley. Why not? Every team should get their dance with the kookiest guy in ball these days.
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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The Astros going to the AL West in 2013. Go figure. Why not the original Seattle Pilots ie: The BrewCrew?
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66576 |
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Verlander wins AL MVP.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17962 |
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^ Not a shock for sure, he deserves it.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66576 |
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A bit of a shock. All of the "Experts" said that he wouldn't win because he was a pitcher. I figured Ellsbury would win since he is a Red Sok or maybe Granderson since he is a Yankee.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17962 |
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Impossible...neither one of those guys were the Most Valuable Player in the American League....its pretty easy to me.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66576 |
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Adrian Gonzalez won the Silver Slugger for American League 1st Baseman over Miguel Cabrera even though Miguel Cabrera had a better stat in ever hitting category but triples, plus he won the AL batting title. Not sure if it was East Coast bias in play, or if it was because Gonzalez had to face the Yankees, Blue Jays, and Rays a number of more times than Cabrera while he was beating up on the Twins, White Sox, and Indians. I figured this same bias would come into play with the MVP vote, along with the "pitchers can't be MVP" mentality.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17962 |
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Well some of this MLB voting is kinda like the BCS.......sometimes what happens does not make sense.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66576 |
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They have a list of the votes the players received and Verlander had 1 8th place vote and 1 voter who didn't vote for him in the top 10.
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Yeah, deep down I want to say a pitcher simply can't be MVP because they play every 5 games.
Even if they went like 33-0 but the team sucks they will not make it far, it should be an every day player. Though when you look at his value to the Tigers, it is tough to disagree with and the MVP field seemed weak this year, especially given the Sahx didn't make the playoffs and the Yanks went down so easily. Depth in the playoffs always looks better. It is no surprise though, don't let the talking heads fool you. It was going to be him. |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17962 |
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^ See to me a pitcher can do more in one game than lets say an OF who in 5 games might get 20 fly balls hit to him and 10 grounders hit to him. And a small fraction of those plays actually make a difference in a game, where the OF probably will not make the play anyway, meaning I doubt he will throw the guy out at 3rd or home, because lets face it, most OF don't have an arm that accurate.
What a picther does in one game is probably worth 3-4 games what an OF does or even a 1B. I have to think there are some opposing hitters that before facing Verlander have to say...."gee not gonna be a good night for me at the plate......."
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Eh like I said, given how balanced the field was I'm fine with it anyway, especially since he had such an epic year. With no one else standing out (or having their team collapse) Verlander does make sense.
I still think it needs to be a position player because while this was not the case in Detriot, if you have a great pitcher on a bad team...what does it matter? Kinda like Doc on the Blue Jays. Load of good they ever were even with him. For this year I could make an exception, Verlander was a good choice. It's all or fun anyway, the MVP didn't come from the Cardinals and I'm guessing none of them care ![]() |
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Stooge ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 09 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Status: Offline Points: 1003 |
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I have no problem with a pitcher getting the MVP. Like how some teams can be a strong bat away from a playoff team, the same can apply to pitching. Verlander had a great year, and IMO deserved it. Plus it's an individual award anyways, which may look good in a trophy case and something to consider for ones HOF potential, but the World Series is the ultimate achievement in the sport.
Also, congrats to Jose Bautista for getting in 3rd place, but I wasn't expecting him to win due to their mediocre record. George Bell still remains the only Jay to win MVP.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66576 |
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Funny enough, the last 5 Tigers to win AL MVP have all been pitchers: Verlander, Willie Hernandez, Denny McClain, and Hal Newhouser (2 times).
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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It's a disgrace that Verlander won.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66576 |
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How is it a disgrace?
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Stooge ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 09 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Status: Offline Points: 1003 |
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Stumbled across the following article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/950114-mlbs-25-biggest-mvp-snubs-of-all-time
I think the's certainly off on some of them, but the Musial one from 1947 seems to be a big snub to me. And for those who think this year was bad, Rogers Hornsby lost to a pitcher in 1924, and he had a .424 batting average!!
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