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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:33
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

False nostalgia is mostly what this thread is about. The state of the mainstream can change, but I don't think it has, at least not all that much.


Trip-hop, Britpop, drum & bass, grunge, nu-metal, "alternative", post-grunge, boy bands, "indie"... and the list of deplorable post-89 styles goes on. Why not hearken back to an age without these abominations?


You a communist or something?


Just a fan of real music, not new music.


Please, PLEASE someone unban Karn Evil 9 and introduce him to Walter! Or at least dig for his posts - you two would get along just fine - oh wait, you wouldn't LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 12:04
Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 15:40
Originally posted by T.Rox T.Rox wrote:

Originally posted by A B Negative A B Negative wrote:

"Popular music" has always been rubbish, that's why we seek out more fulfilling music, that's why we're on this forum. I spent most of the 80s trying to avoid Wham, Swing Out Sister, Matt Bianco, Curiosity Killed the Cat... 
 
Except for the LRB track, which came on the eponymous LRB album with the supurb eight-minute plus version of It's A Long Way There, one only feined appreciation for these groups to impress the girls. The chicks never did dig my music collection because there was never any of that stuff to be found when they looked through it! (And my wife hates most of my music, so nothing has changed.)
 


LRB never made it to the Republic of Methil. But Go West, Five Star, The Reynolds Girls and Rick Astley did. There was NO WAY I was going to feign appreciation of them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 17:20
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Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him.


No, you weren't around here back then. Actually it was Karnevil9, without the spaces (there was also a different member called Karn Evil 9). I've just done a search, and it seems he got all his posts deleted, tough luck. Basically he was the second biggest ELP fan ever, hated CDs, but first and foremost, he was the 'music ended in '73' - man. Though I think he made one exception for an early '80s album, don't remember which one now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 20:33
Sounds like nice guy. So long as he keeps away from the post-89 stuff, its all good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 04:46
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him.


No, you weren't around here back then. Actually it was Karnevil9, without the spaces (there was also a different member called Karn Evil 9). I've just done a search, and it seems he got all his posts deleted, tough luck. Basically he was the second biggest ELP fan ever, hated CDs, but first and foremost, he was the 'music ended in '73' - man. Though I think he made one exception for an early '80s album, don't remember which one now.


"Music ended in '73"... isn't that basically Homer Simpson's opinion on music? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 05:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 05:34
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him.


No, you weren't around here back then. Actually it was Karnevil9, without the spaces (there was also a different member called Karn Evil 9). I've just done a search, and it seems he got all his posts deleted, tough luck. Basically he was the second biggest ELP fan ever, hated CDs, but first and foremost, he was the 'music ended in '73' - man. Though I think he made one exception for an early '80s album, don't remember which one now.


"Music ended in '73"... isn't that basically Homer Simpson's opinion on music? LOL


Homer had something like "Music achieved perfection in 1974."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:19
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him.


No, you weren't around here back then. Actually it was Karnevil9, without the spaces (there was also a different member called Karn Evil 9). I've just done a search, and it seems he got all his posts deleted, tough luck. Basically he was the second biggest ELP fan ever, hated CDs, but first and foremost, he was the 'music ended in '73' - man. Though I think he made one exception for an early '80s album, don't remember which one now.


"Music ended in '73"... isn't that basically Homer Simpson's opinion on music? LOL


Homer had something like "Music achieved perfection in 1974."

Actually, more like Rock music achieved perfection in 1974. I think it was after Bad Company's debut album, or BTO's ... I'm not sure. That's when you saw all those classic hard rock bands come out - AC/DC, Aerosmith, Kiss, Foghat, Boston, Van Halen, ZZ Top, and many others. After the prog halcyon days though ('69-'75 roughly) it took another half decade for it to start renewing itself and build up to today's prog lovers dream, i.e. PA and the knowledge of the breadth and quality of the progressive genres, current and "ancient".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 12:53
When did Jefferson Airplane become Starship........ When did the term AOR first get used. Rumours????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2008 at 11:23
AOR wasn't or isn't all bad music. Why blame Boston for REO Speedwagon's High Infidelity ? Is it possible that Foreigner didn't set out to give birth to groups like Survivor or Loverboy ?
In both cases, Boston & Foreigner, their debut albums  stand among the best rock albums of all time. That both lost it pretty fast is debatable ( I think they did), but neither band got together to play music as a business proposition. That their music went on to become the epitome of commercial rock is not their fault.
Oops, forgot to ask whether AOR stands for Adult Oriented rock or Album Oriented rock, two different beast.
Album O was a good concept - playing something else than the hit singles. Or it was until it came to mean playing the same 2-3 songs from the album.
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I keep confusing the terms "AOR" and "arena rock" with each other. Don't those two categories overlap?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 00:29
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Sounds like nice guy. So long as he keeps away from the post-89 stuff, its all good.

But if everyone died on 1973 we wouldn't have Alfred Schnittke!
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Today, prog rock is seen as something only nerds listen to and people who don't like metal just laugh at it instead of fearing it. (and remember, fear implies respect) Why? Because grunge has usurped prog's place as the definition of intelligent rock and metal's place as the definition of angry young man rock.

I think that's more because people realized that being afraid of a music genre is ridiculous. And if they do still want to be afraid, everyone has rap to hate now.
... and that annoys me too, rap and punk are still seen as legitimate form of subversive art even by people who don't like it - no, especially by people who don't like it (here in Denmark, conservatives are every bit as terrified by punk rockers as they were in the eighties!) - but metal's seen as a mildly amusing antiquity. To be fair, though, it seems like the Danish punk scene is much more dedicated to its principles than in the US, where I've heard punk is totally overran by Johnny-come-latelies who don't really understand it.

Well metal killed itself by being so damn silly. Nobody can be afraid of Dragonforce or Disturbed because it's impossible for any adult to take them seriously. The face of modern popular punk is Greenday's American Idiot, Blink-182, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy, so yes, it's become more pop than anything else. "Real" punk still exists, I'm sure, but it's not on the radio.

I am having difficulty reconciling people still being afraid of any music genre in Denmark, when bestiality is legal there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 02:58
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Well metal killed itself by being so damn silly. Nobody can be afraid of Dragonforce or Disturbed because it's impossible for any adult to take them seriously.


Dragonforce are unusually tongue-in-cheek and Disturbed aren't really metal, so I'd say neither band is that good a representation of the genre.Tongue

Quote The face of modern popular punk is Greenday's American Idiot, Blink-182, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy, so yes, it's become more pop than anything else. "Real" punk still exists, I'm sure, but it's not on the radio.

I am having difficulty reconciling people still being afraid of any music genre in Denmark, when bestiality is legal there.


Well, in Denmark the punk subculture is a great deal more insular and dedicated to its principles than I guess it is in most other countries, mostly because here punk's quite inseparably connected to the squatter movement. I'm certain most of those squatterpunks don't think highly of Green Day or Blink 182... and I've never, ever heard MCR and Fallout Boy called punk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 04:07
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:


Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Well metal killed itself by being so damn silly. Nobody can be afraid of Dragonforce or Disturbed because it's impossible for any adult to take them seriously.
Dragonforce are unusually tongue-in-cheek and Disturbed aren't really metal, so I'd say neither band is that good a representation of the genre.Tongue

I think Disturbed are metal, and Allmusic agrees. Not super heavy metal, but close enough. Dragonforce may be trying to be that cheesy, but most heavy metal is about as equally ridiculous.
Quote ... and I've never, ever heard MCR and Fallout Boy called punk.

That's because you're in Denmark. Sum 41 and Rancid have been better choices for xHardcorex, though, and Offspring for something that's more popular. I think both MCR and Fallout Boy are pretty clearly pop-punk, just with horrible emo/Queen overtones, and allmusic agrees with me. Pop-punk is just a horrible, horrible genre. But what else can you expect from something influenced by post-grunge?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 11:36
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I think Disturbed are metal, and Allmusic agrees. Not super heavy metal, but close enough.


Go to a metal forum (ie. a site that actually knows its metal) - and I assure you that the amount of people you'll find thinking of Disturbing as metal can be counted on one hand. Wink

Quote Dragonforce may be trying to be that cheesy, but most heavy metal is about as equally ridiculous.


Eh... when a genre of music is this inherently theatrical and over-the-top, some unintentional goofiness is more or less inevitable. Punk, for example, is just as willfullly garish - especially those bands who have some actual substance to them - and is also ideologically very closely aligned with metal even if there are a few big differences there. However, it gets nowhere as much snobbery thrown its way.

And, hey, even if those two genres get a bit ridiculous on occasion, they're still by far preferable to the gentrified wasteland of boredom that is modern rock. (here I'm not thinking of today's prog as much as of the stuff marketed as "alternative" when it's anything but, and your stereotypical indie band Wink)

So as a fan of metal I've stopped worrying about "cheesiness", which by the way is an awfully subjective term. Evil%20Smile

Quote But what else can you expect from something influenced by post-grunge?


LOL

Now that you mentioned post-grunge... I really hate it when movements are named "post-(insert word here", it's just so lazy. I blame post-modernism, which itself is just shorthand for repeating things Nietzsche already said while presenting it as something new and groundbreaking. Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 11:51
fear not lasses and lads, for the movie market is faring far worse:

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The first thing I thought when I had finished watching the trailer for Disaster Movie was "is it just me, or are most of the movies parodied not actually disaster movies?"... Angry
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