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rileydog22
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 23:16 |
I am so f**king fed up with the Yankees. They've played absolutely sh*tty baseball for the last couple of weeks. Today, 2B Robinson Cano failed to step on the bag to complete a fielder's choice, which cost them a run, Melky Cabrera had a fly ball fall out of his glove (still not sure why that wasn't an error), and Bobby Abreu ended a potential rally getting caught stealing, in a situation in which a stolen base doesn't really better the team's chance of winning the game. That's pretty much been a typical ballgame for the Yankees, who haven't played well in the field or smart on the basepaths for weeks now. The team currently has a grand total of two legitimate starting pitchers, and even when the team does get a quality outing from a starter it gets thrown away by bad fielding and lathargic hitting. The Yankees aren't gonna make the playoffs this year, and frankly, they don't deserve it.
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 23:43 |
^ I hear you man. Words can't describe how pissed I've been. What frustrates me the most is their pitching, for a long while, was pretty amazing. Remember when they held the Rangers to only 3 or 4 runs a game? But their offense just can not score for their life. It's like watching a billion dollars burn up on the field. How the mighty have fallen eh?
Ah well Riley. People like you and me have been spoiled man. I remember being a kid when the Yanks had the greatest team ever, and I pretty much expected them to go to the World Series every year, and every year the playoffs were a guarantee, you could bet money on it. But that wont always be the case and we've been lucky, I remember my dad telling me how during the 70's and 80's the Yankees just sucked.
I still have confidence in them. Here's to next year
Edited by JJLehto - August 13 2008 at 23:47
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 23:53 |
I know you can't stay on top forever, but it's just really f**king discouraging to see that it isn't a lack of talent bringing the team down, but a lack of effort and mental awareness. The team has been making stupid, inexcusable mistakes for weeks and weeks now. Robinson looks like he flat-out doesn't give a sh*t. Ian Kennedy got sent back down to AAA after one start because he has a terrible attitude; after his start he made a press conference in which he stated that he "pitched great" and he blamed the defense, bad luck, and basically everything that wasn't him for the fact that he got knocked around. The pitching staff is a patchwork right now. That makes sense, because the team's two best starters are on the DL, as is Hughes, the man who was expected to complete the rotation. But even when the starting pitching comes through, the bullpen gives it away, or the defense gives it away, or the batting gives it away, or the baserunning gives it away. It's a three hundred million dollar trainwreck out there.
Edited by rileydog22 - August 13 2008 at 23:53
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 00:10 |
Yea, considering their payroll is probably more than some countries...I think the expectations are justified. And I was HOPING. The pitching was holding on and holding on (And I give them huge credit) but the offense just never got going, and now it's all falling apart. Well, this year is pretty much shot. And as you've said there is no logical explaination for it...except they're just not trying. Well, the talent IS there especially all the young guys. Let's hope the future develops the way we hope. And you're not the only frustrated one man, believe me. Even my bro the Red Sox/Kinda Yankees fan is getting pissed
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 00:21 |
Red Sox/kinda Yankee fan? I find that hard to believe.
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 12:34 |
^ How do you think my dad feels????? But yea, he's mainly a red sox fan. He's also an Eagles fan despite me and my dad being Giants I guess that makes him more prog then I
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 14:09 |
My brother's an Eagles fan. I'm starting to think it's just to piss me off. It was wonderful, though, when we both were at that Giants-Eagles game where the Giants sacked McNabb 12 times.
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crimhead
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 14:17 |
rileydog22 wrote:
It looks like the Cards and the Brew Crew are going to have an epic battle for the wild card. |
The Mets,Philies and Marlins will have something to say about that as well. You can't count out the 2nd place team from the east at this moment.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 16:10 |
That's true. I guess I just like the Cards and Brewers a lot more than anybody in the East.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 18:10 |
The Yankees still have plenty of time. I completely agree with the benching Melky decision. Losing an arm in the field...but at least you can rely on Damon getting a hit every game and then some. Nady has been nothing short of a godsend.
With Mussina and Giambi most likely done with the Yankees this year, it is a serious drop in payroll. Kennedy and Hughes won't cost them that much.
They still have time, but they need to cut the sh*t.
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 18:23 |
rileydog22 wrote:
My brother's an Eagles fan. I'm starting to think it's just to piss me off. It was wonderful, though, when we both were at that Giants-Eagles game where the Giants sacked McNabb 12 times.
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YOU LUCKY BA*TARD! My friend out here in school is a hardcore eagles fan and I send him that games highlights all the time! And not to stray from baseball.... I don't know ProgBagel I have to think the Yanks are done. Even if the cut the sh*t right now they have quite a few games to make up, and 2 if not 3 teams to try and jump to make it in the playoffs. Not to mention their injuries. I would love for them to make it in on a miracle, but Im not putting money on it
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 20:29 |
I'm not saying the Yankees are making the playoffs, but lets be honest here. 40 something games left to gain ground, which is just 6 games behind the Red Sox? Don't forget one point in the season the Yanks lost 5 straight and the Orioles won 5. So it only took the Orioles 5 games to gain 5 games on the Yankees....
It really isn't that Farfetch'd. That is ample time. Last years Phillies and Mets anyone? That was REALLY under the pinch. The Yankees have NOTHING on the Phillies miraculous comeback, if they do it.
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 21:08 |
Yea, seeing the mets collapse like that was one of my happiest moments It's possible for the Yanks, if they fix their act.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 23:12 |
ProgBagel wrote:
I'm not saying the Yankees are making the playoffs, but lets be honest here. 40 something games left to gain ground, which is just 6 games behind the Red Sox? Don't forget one point in the season the Yanks lost 5 straight and the Orioles won 5. So it only took the Orioles 5 games to gain 5 games on the Yankees....
It really isn't that Farfetch'd. That is ample time. Last years Phillies and Mets anyone? That was REALLY under the pinch. The Yankees have NOTHING on the Phillies miraculous comeback, if they do it. |
That's a Pokemon lol. But yeah, the Phillies came back from a worse deficit in less games, so it isn't unreasonable. But right now it feels like the Yanks flat-out don't care, and you can't pull a rally like that unless everybody's putting everything into every game.
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crimhead
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Posted: August 15 2008 at 12:22 |
So looking at the Yankees, did Joe Torre really do a bad job last season and the previous years?
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 15 2008 at 14:39 |
It's hard to really blame a manager for a team's successes and failures, as they aren't really in control of most of the things that determine the outcome of a ballgame. It seems to me that the only really important job a manager does is manage the bullpen, and Torre definitively did NOT do a good job with that.
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 15 2008 at 14:59 |
Jim Leyland keeps writing Gary Sheffield's and Edgar Renteria's name in the line up and keeps putting Fernando Rodney and Todd Jones into games. I think that is pretty much the manager's fault. Granted it is not his fault that these guys aren't doing their jobs, but if he wouldn't keep going to these idiots they wouldn't keep failing. Anyhow, sorry for the sorry grapes. I generally do agree with the theory that it is the players than win and lose the games not the manager, but when the manager keeps doing the same stupid things over and over again you really have to wonder.
Of course the fact that both of those guys are even on the team is President DUMBrowski's fault, but that is another rant for another day.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 15 2008 at 15:31 |
Well, Leyland doesn't really have any options in his bullpen besides Jones and Rodney. Zumaya is on the DL and Farnsworth is just plain bad. And I seriously doubt the Tigers have a better shortstop than Renteria stashed away somewhere; the fact is, short is probably the thinnest position in the league right now (well, maybe catcher).
But I bet they've got somebody better than Sheffy somewhere.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 15 2008 at 17:18 |
rileydog22 wrote:
ProgBagel wrote:
I'm not saying the Yankees are making the playoffs, but lets be honest here. 40 something games left to gain ground, which is just 6 games behind the Red Sox? Don't forget one point in the season the Yanks lost 5 straight and the Orioles won 5. So it only took the Orioles 5 games to gain 5 games on the Yankees....
It really isn't that Farfetch'd. That is ample time. Last years Phillies and Mets anyone? That was REALLY under the pinch. The Yankees have NOTHING on the Phillies miraculous comeback, if they do it. | That's a Pokemon lol. But yeah, the Phillies came back from a worse deficit in less games, so it isn't unreasonable. But right now it feels like the Yanks flat-out don't care, and you can't pull a rally like that unless everybody's putting everything into every game. |
I had the Pokemon in mind . .
So anyway, just talked about it. Now Melky is out and in the minors...not against that move, although he is one of the best fielders...his bat just can't do it. I couldn't understand why they put Gardner in the minors in the first place. With him and Christiansen for pinch runner options..they can steal some runs well.
Sexson is gone, but what were they expecting with him anyway?
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 15 2008 at 17:28 |
crimhead wrote:
So looking at the Yankees, did Joe Torre really do a bad job last season and the previous years? |
Of course not, Managers get WAY too much credit, AND blame. Torre was unspectacular all of his career, takes over one the greatest teams and suddenly he's amazing??? Joe Torre was a great guy, loved him, but of course he didn't have much to with the teams success and failure, just like with Girardi.
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