The Best Star Wars Movie

I really just don't give that much of a sh*t about Star Wars.

Alitare wrote: I really just don't give that much of a sh*t about Star Wars.

Yes

Atavachron wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: Atavachron wrote:  ^ The real question is what specific Dark method was clouding things.  Yoda mentions the Jedi's "weakness" and how only a Sith Lord would know what it was, but we're never informed what it is.   I always felt it suggests if a person or feeling is hidden behind genuine, or what appears to be genuine intentions, the Jedi may not be able to see past it.  In other words if you're a really good liar/actor, you can conceal your true motives. Good question David.There are no dark side abilities I know of that specifically allow an adept to hide their presence while remaining in plain sight.Sidious' master Darth Plagueis give him access to many ancient Sith holocrons,recorded in the time of Darth Bane.Maybe he learned something on one of those ancient information devices,and after killing his master,didn't pass it on to his own apprentices. yeah Holocrons, cool--  I've gotta start reading some of the ExUn novels, I read a bit of Death Star and liked it

Atavachron wrote:   To further answer your questions;  C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut);  The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history;  I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him;  And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force?

R2-D2 eventually shows Luke some footage of Padme and Anakin in the Extended Universe books after being literally forced to. He didn't want to hurt Luke by letting him see his father falling to the Dark Side on tape.

progistoomainstream wrote:   Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written.

See my above explanation for R2.

As it's been said already, the Jedi were caught off guard. Remember, this literally happened in the MIDDLE of battles. Jedi's danger sense in the Force would be going off left and right anyway. Most Jedi were assigned to clone units and grew to work with and trust them. Most of them never would have expected to be betrayed by the clones, and it'd be especially hard to see it coming when literally seconds earlier they were on your side helping you fight droids.
A lot of the minor OT characters were put into the prequels to make fans happy. I don't see much harm in that, considering that having Chewbacca appear in the prequels is more meaningful than some random new wookiee, etc.
The clones had different uniforms to clearly mark their training. Some clones were grown and trained for specific tasks and were marked accordingly so that they would be easy to identify in battle. This was to help Jedi and other commanders organize them better. And stormtroopers didn't necessarily have different "colors", but Imperial armed servicemen DID have entirely different uniforms. Officers wore gray tunics, pilots wore black jumpsuits and helmets, gunners were black suits and helmets very different to those of pilots, etc.

progistoomainstream wrote: I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense. 1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained 2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade. 3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?   Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie.

1. The Trade Federation was controlled by Darth Sidious, who was a Senator on Naboo. He used the blockade to create sympathy for himself in the Galactic Senate so that he could be elected Supreme Chancellor.
2. Jedi are trained to negotiate as ambassadors and to solve disputes. They actually knew a lot about trade.
3. Because Palpatine/Sidious forced them to. The contrived reasoning that the Trade Federation gave was that the senate had recently increased taxes on trade in the outer rim to hurt the Trade Federation and stunt their economic growth. They didn't like that.

The Doctor wrote: Also, not quite as amusing at the prior one, but why is all the focus on Vader in the originals as far as Yoda and Kenobi are concerned.  Yoda and Kenobi seem to think that bringing down Vader is the most important thing, as if that will somehow make the empire magically crumble to dust.  When really the focus should be on getting rid of Sidious.  He is arguably the more powerful Sith Lord and also has the full might of the Imperial army behind him.  He is the one who must be destroyed to end the empire.   Neither Yoda or Kenobi expected Anakin to turn back to the light and kill Sidious, so what was their plan for Sidious once Vader was destroyed?  I think this is probably the biggest flaw in the originals.  That and their waiting 19 years for Luke to grow up to take on the empire.

Vader was so important because of his relation to Luke and because he was the easier one to take down first. Taking down a Sith Master like Sidious would be really difficult, but it'd be a lot more difficult with Darth Vader backing him up. Vader was out and about far more often than Sidious, who kept himself very protected and was extremely paranoid about his security.

Also, Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi waiting in hiding is a form of irony. For a thousand years two Sith at a time hid from the Jedi and consolidated power, waiting until they were strong enough to reveal themselves to the Jedi and take over. After that happened, two Jedi had to hide and consolidate their power while waiting for their opportunity to take back over.

TheProgtologist wrote: If you like SW you really need to check out the EU.Only problem is there are a ton of books and you need to read most of them chronologically.I have around 100 EU books myself and probably have about half of the entire EU. I read Death Star,good book.I like how it told stories from the perspective of people in the Death Star while it was being built and during the attack.

Agreed; the EU books are amazing. I'm trying to buy up every single last one for my collection. I've probably got around the same number that you have right now, but I have most of the novels from Truce at Bakura through the current Fate of the Jedi series.

TheMasterMofo wrote: Atavachron wrote:   To further answer your questions;  C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut);  The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history;  I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him;  And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force? R2-D2 eventually shows Luke some footage of Padme and Anakin in the Extended Universe books after being literally forced to. He didn't want to hurt Luke by letting him see his father falling to the Dark Side on tape. progistoomainstream wrote:   Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written. See my above explanation for R2. As it's been said already, the Jedi were caught off guard. Remember, this literally happened in the MIDDLE of battles. Jedi's danger sense in the Force would be going off left and right anyway. Most Jedi were assigned to clone units and grew to work with and trust them. Most of them never would have expected to be betrayed by the clones, and it'd be especially hard to see it coming when literally seconds earlier they were on your side helping you fight droids. A lot of the minor OT characters were put into the prequels to make fans happy. I don't see much harm in that, considering that having Chewbacca appear in the prequels is more meaningful than some random new wookiee, etc. The clones had different uniforms to clearly mark their training. Some clones were grown and trained for specific tasks and were marked accordingly so that they would be easy to identify in battle. This was to help Jedi and other commanders organize them better. And stormtroopers didn't necessarily have different "colors", but Imperial armed servicemen DID have entirely different uniforms. Officers wore gray tunics, pilots wore black jumpsuits and helmets, gunners were black suits and helmets very different to those of pilots, etc. progistoomainstream wrote: I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense. 1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained 2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade. 3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?   Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie. 1. The Trade Federation was controlled by Darth Sidious, who was a Senator on Naboo. He used the blockade to create sympathy for himself in the Galactic Senate so that he could be elected Supreme Chancellor. 2. Jedi are trained to negotiate as ambassadors and to solve disputes. They actually knew a lot about trade. 3. Because Palpatine/Sidious forced them to. The contrived reasoning that the Trade Federation gave was that the senate had recently increased taxes on trade in the outer rim to hurt the Trade Federation and stunt their economic growth. They didn't like that. The Doctor wrote: Also, not quite as amusing at the prior one, but why is all the focus on Vader in the originals as far as Yoda and Kenobi are concerned.  Yoda and Kenobi seem to think that bringing down Vader is the most important thing, as if that will somehow make the empire magically crumble to dust.  When really the focus should be on getting rid of Sidious.  He is arguably the more powerful Sith Lord and also has the full might of the Imperial army behind him.  He is the one who must be destroyed to end the empire.   Neither Yoda or Kenobi expected Anakin to turn back to the light and kill Sidious, so what was their plan for Sidious once Vader was destroyed?  I think this is probably the biggest flaw in the originals.  That and their waiting 19 years for Luke to grow up to take on the empire. Vader was so important because of his relation to Luke and because he was the easier one to take down first. Taking down a Sith Master like Sidious would be really difficult, but it'd be a lot more difficult with Darth Vader backing him up. Vader was out and about far more often than Sidious, who kept himself very protected and was extremely paranoid about his security. Also, Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi waiting in hiding is a form of irony. For a thousand years two Sith at a time hid from the Jedi and consolidated power, waiting until they were strong enough to reveal themselves to the Jedi and take over. After that happened, two Jedi had to hide and consolidate their power while waiting for their opportunity to take back over. TheProgtologist wrote: If you like SW you really need to check out the EU.Only problem is there are a ton of books and you need to read most of them chronologically.I have around 100 EU books myself and probably have about half of the entire EU. I read Death Star,good book.I like how it told stories from the perspective of people in the Death Star while it was being built and during the attack. Agreed; the EU books are amazing. I'm trying to buy up every single last one for my collection. I've probably got around the same number that you have right now, but I have most of the novels from Truce at Bakura through the current Fate of the Jedi series.

Fair analysis of my question pertaining to Vader.  Still not sure about waiting around for some kid who may or may not turn out to be worthy to save the universe. 

Anywho, I like some of the EU books, but for the most part those books that deal with the time before and in the period of the prequels.  The Darth Bane books were awesome.  As were some of the prequel related books.  Wish they'd do more preceding the prequels.  Looking forward to the Darth Plagueis novel if and when that ever comes out.  Never really enjoyed the post-originals books, like the Thrawn trilogy.  Thought those were kind of dull.  "I, Jedi" was probably the only post-original book that I really liked.  Started the Yuzhan Vong stuff, but after reading the first four novels, I gave up on it. 

progistoomainstream wrote: I have decided I am going to re-write the prequels to make them actually good and make sense. I will take what little information there was in the originals and fill in the blanks in an interesting and logical way.

Give me a copy.

sideburndude... wrote: progistoomainstream wrote: I have decided I am going to re-write the prequels to make them actually good and make sense. I will take what little information there was in the originals and fill in the blanks in an interesting and logical way. Give me a copy.

Alitare wrote: I really just don't give that much of a sh*t about Star Wars.

Eärendil wrote: 1) V 2) I 3) VI 4) IV 5) II 6) III