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FatherChristmas 
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 Posted: July 13 2020 at 08:09 |
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Yeah, to say it drags on a bit is an understatement. Their latest album Grand Tour has two 14 minute songs in a row, not to mention a 13 minute one earlier on and six others. And it's not even a double album.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: July 13 2020 at 08:43 |
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What were we talking about again?
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Ian
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moshkito
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Posted: July 13 2020 at 12:11 |
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Hi, I'm beyond the age of being impressionable and think that I by doing so I'm changing the wheel of life! IF PA was interested, in a different thought, they would ask ... but considering so many of the folks as Admins and this and that ... I doubt they would ever want me in their mix, lest they be found to be the same folks only standing up for their own top 5! My biggest complaint, again, is that none of these "admins" ensure that the new discussions can continue and that they stay course ... as soon as a duck says that the catfish is ugly, 3 of the next 4 postings, including admins (hypothetically!!!) immediately agree, instead of making sure that the MUSIC is discussed and enforce the lack of need for personal comments! Again, it's not about the music ... it's about each and everyone's personal this and that, and that is the reason why these things have to be "subjective", because being "objective" is not on their vocabulary and never will be!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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The Dark Elf
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^ Mosh Quixote tilting musical windmills to slay prog dragons that don't exist.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Meltdowner
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Posted: July 14 2020 at 08:40 |
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Wow! I'm seriously impressed with iNFiNiEN
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richardh
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Posted: July 14 2020 at 15:40 |
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How dare people have opinions about music? Jesus, what total f**king idiots
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: July 14 2020 at 16:15 |
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They are somewhat reminiscent of a band from the 90's called Finneus Gauge(who are also listed on this site)so you might want to consider looking into them also. Of course youtube would probably be your best bet to sample the music.
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FatherChristmas
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Posted: July 15 2020 at 06:20 |
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But, Mr Moshkito, you complain admins "instead of making sure that the MUSIC is discussed" and don't "enforce the lack of need for personal comments"... that is a personal comment!
Know what you mean...
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Meltdowner
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Posted: July 15 2020 at 06:52 |
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A Crimson Mellotron
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Agreed, although Wobbler and All Traps are both pretty retro prog-inspired. I know that they also credit some of the Big Big Train albums to this 'new prog'. And they have a strong Genesis influence...
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Chris Buzby was the keyboard player for Finneus Gauge after Echolyn broke up in the mid 90's. So it's really not that weird if you know the history of the bands. Maybe just the categorization. Finneus Gauge only put out two albums in the 90's because Echolyn reformed in 2000 and Chris probably didn't have time for both bands. The other members of Echolyn also had spin off bands when echolyn initially disbanded called Still who then became Always Almost. I haven't heard those albums but they were apparently more grunge oriented with a bit of prog and not like Finneaus Gauge.
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Boboulo
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"Retro-prog" style doesn't exist, actually. Simple as that, there is Progressive rock genre and the genre framework. Personally I think it's unfair that we call the new bands “retro” just because they create their music within the genre framework and don't mix it with Alt.Rock. As one of such bands, I would like to mention Guranfoe, an instrumental Progressive rock band from England, which I think that is pretty underrated and deserves more attention. Guranfoe - "Karu Vatsarin" (2019) |
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Cristi
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retro-prog is not a music genre, just a name that tells us listeners the music is an homage, sometimes pastiche to classic prog bands. Some people use it in a derogatory way to signal out something unoriginal.
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It's a label, to identify music that harkens back to the 70's sound, typically by using vintage instruments and writing styles. It helps people looking for that type of music find that kind of music. If it wasn't useful we wouldn't use it. That's how words work. Alternatively lets not use a useful term because it doesn't fit some complicated construct.
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Ian
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Boboulo
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FatherChristmas
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If you don't think modern prog exists then: a. Your senses are lying to you, there are a huge number of bands formed in recent years. b. No offence, but don't post on a modern prog thread. You'll anger people. Chiefly me.
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And I really don't know how that can make people "angry". |
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FatherChristmas
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Oh, you mean there isn't a new prog sub-genre? Yes, that's true. I thought you were trying to ignore the existance of modern prog as a rule. Which would make a lot of people angry, especially on a modern prog thread.
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It's A Trap!
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Ian
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edit: Btw, I think some have confused the term 'modern' with the term 'contemporary'. Although these terms might seem interchangeable in a general sense, they have nuances. Edited by Boboulo - September 15 2020 at 11:01 |
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Meltdowner wrote:
. I don't understand why so many people think that is something is not retro-prog then it's random noise. There is a large grey area between "retro" and "avant-garde". Glad to see you mentioned iNFiNiEN, who made a great impression at ProgDay a couple of years ago. I'll add North Sea Radio Orchestra, Ut Gret, Thieves' Kitchen, Herd of Instinct... The list is endless. As regards Big Big Train, my problem with them is not that they are retro, but that their albums all sound the same to me. 
