Modern/New Prog
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Topic: Modern/New Prog
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Subject: Modern/New Prog
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 07:05
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I've been wondering recently whether there has been a new wave of prog bands I've somehow missed out, and furthermore, whether any modern prog bands have actually broke the charts. According to Wikipedia, there's a genre called "new prog", can anyone give me any information on this?
------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
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Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 07:06
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The Wikipedia link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#New_prog" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#New_prog ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 07:24
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This would seem to be bands that formed after 2000 that don't just mimic former generations. We have plenty of those on the site but they are scattered across all the sub-genres:- Checking the charts:- Wobbler All Traps On Earth Nil Birds & Buildings Riverside Kayo Dot The Mars Volta Haken ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 07:29
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From my Avant perspective I'd throw out there:- Far Corner Zevious Jean Louis PoiL Sleepytime Gorilla Museum Vak Sonar Setna ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 08:37
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For me personally modern prog is the one that is more influenced by indie/alternative rock/punk rock than by psychedelia/60s pop/70s prog - Oceansize, Pure Reason Revolution, Tool, The Mars Volta, Coheed and Cambria, Mew, Gazpacho, etc. Also love the bands who started as somewhat retro-prog but moved to create their own sound later on - Anekdoten, Porcupine Tree, h's Marillion Check this video, some cool points there:
Oddly enough, these bands are as retro-prog as retro could be:
These though more like it:
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Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 08:56
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For me, "new" progressive music includes post/alternative/progressive bands. Here are some names: -Gazpacho, Soup (post/alternative/progressive rock), -Caligula's Horse, Karnivool, The Butterfly Effect (alternative/progressive metal/rock), -Archive, Radiohead, Muse (alternative/progressive rock), -The Pineapple Thief, Porcupine Tree, Riverside (alternative/progressive rock/metal (for PT and Riverside) ), -Caspian, Sleepmakeswaves, Long Distance Calling, God Is An Astronaut, Leech, If These Trees Could Talk, ... (post-rock/metal). |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 11:14
Thanks, these posts are very helpful. Should I make a topic dedicated to the appreciation of new prog? It's obviously not a virtually unknown underground genre. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 12:05
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New Prog....? ...yes because we need another category of prog.  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 12:42
I don't follow all the prog bands chart success but I do know that Steven Wilson, Porcupine Tree and the Mars Volta have all had albums in the top 100(top 50 in some cases). There's also Dream Theater of course and also bands like Muse and Radiohead if you want to count them(some do some don't). Also, back in 2002 Spock's Beard's "snow" made it to number 15 on the then relatively new internet albums chart(out of 30 listed). A more recent band who actually had an album crack the top 100 on the billboard charts is Thank You Scientist. Other than those I mentioned I'm not really aware of any unless we stretch the definition of prog out a bit. There is a genre called new prog but I don't know much about it. I think it's just bands who add more modern elements to the music and don't sound like old prog. My guess would be probably bands like Gazpacho, Oceansize or the Pineapple Thief.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 14:25
| So many great prog bands have been formed in the last twenty years. Don't expect much discussion about them here. Only threads about 70's bands get more than 4 responses. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 14:50
I would say more like past 30-35 years. The most neglected prog in my opinion is from the 90's and even a little bit beyond that. The past ten years? It's not discussed as much as 70's prog but at least it has the advantage of being new or relatively new and so isn't as buried as 90's(or early 2000's) prog imo.
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 15:03
What? You don't like seeing "Top 5 Yes Songs" "Selling England vs Close to the Edge" or "Is Pink Floyd Prog?" every week?  ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 15:13
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 15:32
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 15:47
On this site Echolyn are starting to get a bit overlooked maybe because they haven't put out an album in a while. Discipline? No, very well known on here. You could be right about MK except that he has the Zappa connection. Still, I haven't seen him mentioned on here much(or maybe not in a while also). He's pretty good live. There were a lot of bands but some would be Salem Hill, Mastermind, Par Lindh Project, After Crying, Underground Railroad(early 2000's), Pye Fyte(one great album from 1998), Iluvatar and White Willow.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 17:58
) but as well-spotted above, they weren't really as popular as "What's Your Favourite Genesis Album?"-type threads Unless it's a Steven Wilson one of course!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 18:03
Love 'em both, especially Discipline. Modern-prog though? Nah, they're heavily inspired by Gentle Giant (Echolyn) and VDGG (Discipline), and of course also by Genesis and King Crimson. So yeah, modern-era prog bands but definitely retro-prog style-wise
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 18:19
I was responding to someone else. It's not necessarily my opinion that they are modern either. However, I don't hear much retro prog in echolyn at least not in a while for them.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 18:30
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Discipline's debut was '88 and echolyn in '91. Hardly modern. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 18:38
That Discipline "debut" wasn't first released until five years ago or so. Either way 93 isn't modern either.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 19:47
If you like your music to be a little bit strange, then I highly recommend, from 2019: Lost Crowns - Every Night Something Happens Although I love the entire album, my favourite track is "Sound As Colour": ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 19:54
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That's a brilliant album. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 20:49
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My favourite 21st century prog album is the 2009 release (as a free download), Maudlin Of The Well - Part The Second: ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 00:47
Birds & Buildings isn't THAT retro to my ears. At least, it doesn't sound like a rehash of the the incredibly influential bands that we usually get threads about every day (you know, those heavy hitters in symph and eclectic from that little decade called 68-78). To be fair, I've only heard their first record. I do like it though. Pretty avant honestly. Other groups that are somewhat similar and definitely "new" prog: -An Endless Sporadic -iNFiNiEN
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 00:49
Though that's PLENTY modern for some people on this site hehehe. "I don't like all these new bands, like Dream Theater."
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 01:40
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 01:46
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Thank You Scientist is for me, one of the better modern prog bands. The brass and string arrangements keep it interesting. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 06:43
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I like the music but the vocals are too irritating for me. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 06:44
Sad but true. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 06:49
I also think they (Thank You Scientist) are a much better live band than a studio one. Their albums sound rather one-note to me, while their live shows are quite entertaining.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 08:35
| The new Pure Reason Revolution is absolutely brilliant. Any takers? |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 08:43
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I think I've heard of them recently... I'm researching it currently. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 09:12
I've come to the conclusion that "new prog" (or indeed "nu prog" Steve G  ) is more of a wave of bands than a subgenre... it still seems very under promoted at PA. I'd only really heard of the newer bands Spock's Beard, the Mars Volta, Steven Wilson and Dream Theater before making this topic, and I'm not that ignorant. (Well, I don't know... I hadn't heard of Caravan until recently) .------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 09:22
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At least you didn't make the mistake that I did when I first joined PA by calling modern prog "Neo-Prog"
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 09:24
1995, 2003, 1991, 1989, four these are only 'newer' in comparison to the 70's golden age. Of those artists most of the original members are probably in their 50's. Can I interest you in some PoiL, ni, Chromb, Zevious, Horse Lords, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Cellar & Point, Diablo Swing Orchestra, elephant9? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 09:30
That just made me think of an awful joke. You can interest me, but you can't Special Interest me. That is the opposite of prog. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 09:33
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It's called NuProg, New Prog, Post Prog, Alterna-Prog and Alternative Prog or Alt. Prog. I actually brought this up as a label to consider back in 2008 (and I wasn't the first), as well as Neo-Folk (not as its own category but as a section of Prog Folk). I was keen on adding subcategories if we could at one time, though I always preferred multi-genre album tagging, but our site architecture does not support it and such changes would mean rebuilding the site and pulling all this into into a new one would be a massive challenge. My conclusion about New Prog being, along with others, that it wouldn't be very useful (at least not as its own category). We find various NuProg bands across various categories here. If we had multi genre tagging, then it could be a useful label for database classification. Indeed, I agree with you that it's more of a wave of band than a subgenre. I researched it a lot back then after I came across the term, and here is a link that I found useful, but is now very out of date. https://rateyourmusic.com/list/WiiAreRabbid/new_prog__progressive_rock_with_a_modern_twist/" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/list/WiiAreRabbid/new_prog__progressive_rock_with_a_modern_twist/ I'll quote from that:
We've had a few discussions on this over the years (mostly before 2010). What I said in one as response was: "NuProg bands can be found in various categories here. I had brought up this topic before (for a Nu Prog/ Post Prog category), and am of the feeling that while NuProg would a useful tag for artists in PA, and a useful term for describing acts, it's rather too diverse to be warranted for placing Nu Prog bands in a single category. So better as a descriptor than as a functional and useful category. I did feel that it could be helpful with placement. Aside from the concern that Nu Prog bands are so diverse that it doesn't warrant its own category, there were also concerns that it would open the doors to bands that should not be considered truly Prog (at least by PA standards). The other concern expressed had to to do with PA's taking a back-seat to others "Prog definitions," as I understood it." There is also Nu Jazz, Nu Metal and there should be a Nu Neu. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 09:44
There are plenty here who promote newer bands. Most of the team members exclusively evaluate and add new artists to the database. The right side of the front page showcases the 5 most recent current years' album additions. But if you only watch the polls and lists on the forum, you will primarily see the most popular top5-10 known artists. Its just how incumbency works. There are over 11,000 bands on the site. I don't know that anyone has the analyzed data, but I am fairly certain a large percentage, if not the majority of them were formed in the latter half of the prog epoch. You just gotta start digging. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122945" rel="nofollow - Here is a good place to start. The yearly collaborators album of the year lists are virtually nothing but modern prog. If that's not promotion, I'm doing a lot of work for nothing. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 12:21
Well then I can't imagine you liking the Mars Volta for that same reason.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 12:50
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I'm up and down on Mars Volta vocals. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 11 2020 at 13:44
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Agree about it being a wave rather than a cohesive genre. But there are certainly similarities in this new wave when it comes to attitude and production as opposed to the the actual style of writing. Maybe it could be useful in the guides section to talk about different waves of prog. We could even get more specific about the waves of some specific sub-genres (electronic and fusion, for example, would have their own histories and waves). I get a little tired of people saying there are three "eras" of prog, the third usually being post-2000 or starting with the mid-90s retro prog wave. There was definitely a fourth wave that came in the very late 2000s/early 2010s. And I think we're experiencing a new one even now (as well as in several other scenes of music, my music producer friend is convinced the '20s will be a return to the adventurousness of the early 70s, with a completely new sound of course, because average listeners are bored and don't even know it). And even that description is kind of narrow. It makes sense, since most people who only categorize three waves are not only not listening to a lot of new stuff, but are only really referring to a bunch of bands from symph, eclectic, crossover, some RIO/avant/Canterbury, and MAYBE some metal. Which is ok if that's what they want to listen to. But you can't be an authority on something you only know a little bit about.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 00:44
| Big Big Train actually made the UK charts last year for the first time in their history. I love their music as much as anything that was made in the seventies. Don't care that's it's not cutting edge . If 'New prog' is a bunch of randomly collected noises then I'm not interested. |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 04:41
Thanks, very helpful. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 12:26
Well you're in luck, because it isn't. Just take a listen to iNFiNiEN, and Endless Sporadic, Haken, etc.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 13:24
Very well said
 . I don't understand why so many people think that is something is not retro-prog then it's random noise. There is a large grey area between "retro" and "avant-garde". Glad to see you mentioned iNFiNiEN, who made a great impression at ProgDay a couple of years ago. I'll add North Sea Radio Orchestra, Ut Gret, Thieves' Kitchen, Herd of Instinct... The list is endless. As regards Big Big Train, my problem with them is not that they are retro, but that their albums all sound the same to me. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 14:08
Hi, Which is a real shame ... because it tells you that some folks don't care about music continuing to be alive and would rather live in the past! I, for one, get tired of any new GENESIS song bs thread .... when there are so many bands out there that deserve much better attention! My guess is that the folks that "believe" in progressive something or other, don't really believe in music ... to them it's all about the top 5, not anything new under the sun! You can tell who these folks are when they compare this to a JT or YES or GENESIS something or other ... meaning the new artist will not get a chance to be heard! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 14:23
Hi, (jokey!!!) Ohhh ... so the site is still mired in DB3 and can not get inside SQL properly or a better improvement than that? The only thing I know is that a database is only as good as the main person running it, and controlling it. And yes, some changes are very tough as it deals with the architecture of the whole thing, and when you have something that big, it could be an issue. But there are ways to get around that ... not discuss'able on this thread! (/jockey!!!) My take on the "new" thing, is that some of these folks are going elsewhere to get away from PA and other sites, where some of these bands do not have a chance to get a fair listen and a fair review, as the majority of its folks are way too involved inside the top ten format of things, up to and INCLUDING the song "format" which was not an option in the early days of progressive music! I can't blame them, and sometimes I wish them success ... however, separation is the worst form of disappointment and luck ... it's hard being so far out there that no one can relate to it or see it or appreciate it. And it's harder when someone says ... the keyboard player is using blah and blah just like Tony Bullaballo did in the band The Skies Opened and Cried $hit ... and honestly, this is the part that PA needs to address ... start separating ADMINS, from REVIEWERS and other folks assigned to the definition and design of the divisions and subdivisions ... but above all, PA would have to say ... your favorites are not allowed and any overt show of that will remove you from that vote we're discussing ... kind of thing ... We have to disrupt the top 5/top 10 thing ... and it has to be the Admins, Reviewers and other special folks at PA ... but, in my book, their choice of folks (sometimes) leaves a lot to be desired ... A LOT ... and I'm not sure those folks should have been there .... let me put it this way ... I managed 2 restaurants for 6 years ... and I would not have hired any of those folks ... and I had a good record with employees ... better paid, and their efficiency was high ... and I also had one of the lowest turnovers in the company in those years ... it wasn't worth being on training mode all the time!!!!! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 15:11
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This is so so sad. There is just music and that's it. This site quite rightly has a reverence to the great seventies bands that created the genre. If you go too far away from that it becomes something else. The site is absolutely fine as far as I'm concerned but there is strong understanding of that. Moshkito - why on earth can't you say something constructive for a change? Who are all these folks that are leaving and why aren't you one of them if you are so unhappy here?
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 15:12
I disagree. The people here do seem to have an interest in new music. But, whereas classic 70s prog is an area of commonality between us that allows for rich discussion, interest in new music is quite divergent in that one person's interest do not correspond to other people's interest, and so discussions don't go anywhere. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 15:17
Thieves Kitchen are excellent , clearly I wasn't including them! My favourite album of last year was Waste Of Space Orchestra - Syntheosis but I only found out about via the collaborators lists. But at least that was something and it shows that lists really do have a place. Haken are one of my favourite bands but I also reserve the right to enjoy Lonely Robot and The Mute Gods , no doubt scorned on for not being 'interesting'.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 03:59
Maybe it's time you volunteered to become an admin then as you are so brilliant?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 04:28
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Why the hell would he be wanted as an admin? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 04:31
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Finnish band "Absoluuttinen Nollapiste" made modern prog two part masterpiece "Pisara & Lammas" in 2012-14. So sad no-one non-Finnish can´t understand that great story in it, that has influences from Greek mythology & the Bible. Also those albums are not in spotify or youtube, all the way they got much praising reviews in Finland when they came, but no-one seems to remember them anymore. Here´s one vid from those in youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5-XDoQ07p4&list=PL50E9Q6IGfy8gkwnAVn8GOt0rEuhPYJ2i&index=9" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5-XDoQ07p4&list=PL50E9Q6IGfy8gkwnAVn8GOt0rEuhPYJ2i&index=9
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 04:41
Good question! My feeling is if you're going to continually criticise people who are carrying out a particular role (voluntarily) then you should be prepared to step forward for the role yourself. Whether you'd be accepted or not is a different matter.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 04:53
iNFiNiEN are a new one for me, not come across them before but really good stuff. A bit like Bent Knee but a bit more jazzy.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 05:15
I am very glad you liked it! Very nice people too. Their guitarist and main composer, Matt Hollenberg, is also involved in a number of more experimental outfits. Anyway, my main point was that finding some modern prog bands not particularly interesting does not automatically mean liking noise. The "panhead" thing might have been funny at first, but after a while it got rather old. As far as I am concerned, I love a good song with a good melody, but a lot of prog bands are not particularly good at songwriting.
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 05:30
Never heard of iNFiNieN but I'll surely listen to them when I have the chance.  |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 06:36
I'm a big fan of The Underfall Yard and English Electric but their more recent releases haven't really grabbed me as much.
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 07:35
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^ I heard these three albums and also tried a couple of songs from more recent albums, to no avail. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 07:43
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I actually like The Underfall Yard a lot. I reviewed it when I was on Progressor (over 10 years ago), and gave it 6 stars, which is almost the highest rating. However, when I tried listening to their following albums, I found they all sounded the same to my ears. |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 08:09
Yeah, to say it drags on a bit is an understatement. Their latest album Grand Tour has two 14 minute songs in a row, not to mention a 13 minute one earlier on and six others. And it's not even a double album. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 08:43
What were we talking about again? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 12:11
Hi, I'm beyond the age of being impressionable and think that I by doing so I'm changing the wheel of life! IF PA was interested, in a different thought, they would ask ... but considering so many of the folks as Admins and this and that ... I doubt they would ever want me in their mix, lest they be found to be the same folks only standing up for their own top 5! My biggest complaint, again, is that none of these "admins" ensure that the new discussions can continue and that they stay course ... as soon as a duck says that the catfish is ugly, 3 of the next 4 postings, including admins (hypothetically!!!) immediately agree, instead of making sure that the MUSIC is discussed and enforce the lack of need for personal comments! Again, it's not about the music ... it's about each and everyone's personal this and that, and that is the reason why these things have to be "subjective", because being "objective" is not on their vocabulary and never will be! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 13 2020 at 13:18
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^ Mosh Quixote tilting musical windmills to slay prog dragons that don't exist. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 08:40
Wow! I'm seriously impressed with iNFiNiEN  Thanks for bringing them up |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 15:40
How dare people have opinions about music? Jesus, what total f**king idiots
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 16:15
They are somewhat reminiscent of a band from the 90's called Finneus Gauge(who are also listed on this site)so you might want to consider looking into them also. Of course youtube would probably be your best bet to sample the music.
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Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: July 15 2020 at 06:20
But, Mr Moshkito, you complain admins "instead of making sure that the MUSIC is discussed" and don't "enforce the lack of need for personal comments"... that is a personal comment!
Know what you mean...
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 15 2020 at 06:52
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 06:57
Agreed, although Wobbler and All Traps are both pretty retro prog-inspired. I know that they also credit some of the Big Big Train albums to this 'new prog'. And they have a strong Genesis influence...
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 07:11
Chris Buzby was the keyboard player for Finneus Gauge after Echolyn broke up in the mid 90's. So it's really not that weird if you know the history of the bands. Maybe just the categorization. Finneus Gauge only put out two albums in the 90's because Echolyn reformed in 2000 and Chris probably didn't have time for both bands. The other members of Echolyn also had spin off bands when echolyn initially disbanded called Still who then became Always Almost. I haven't heard those albums but they were apparently more grunge oriented with a bit of prog and not like Finneaus Gauge.
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Posted By: Boboulo
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 08:21
"Retro-prog" style doesn't exist, actually. Simple as that, there is Progressive rock genre and the genre framework. Personally I think it's unfair that we call the new bands “retro” just because they create their music within the genre framework and don't mix it with Alt.Rock. As one of such bands, I would like to mention Guranfoe, an instrumental Progressive rock band from England, which I think that is pretty underrated and deserves more attention. Guranfoe - "Karu Vatsarin" (2019) |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 08:26
retro-prog is not a music genre, just a name that tells us listeners the music is an homage, sometimes pastiche to classic prog bands. Some people use it in a derogatory way to signal out something unoriginal.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 08:36
It's a label, to identify music that harkens back to the 70's sound, typically by using vintage instruments and writing styles. It helps people looking for that type of music find that kind of music. If it wasn't useful we wouldn't use it. That's how words work. Alternatively lets not use a useful term because it doesn't fit some complicated construct. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Boboulo
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 08:56
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Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 09:46
If you don't think modern prog exists then: a. Your senses are lying to you, there are a huge number of bands formed in recent years. b. No offence, but don't post on a modern prog thread. You'll anger people. Chiefly me. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Boboulo
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 10:03
And I really don't know how that can make people "angry". |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 10:09
Oh, you mean there isn't a new prog sub-genre? Yes, that's true. I thought you were trying to ignore the existance of modern prog as a rule. Which would make a lot of people angry, especially on a modern prog thread. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 10:21
It's A Trap! ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Boboulo
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 10:47
edit: Btw, I think some have confused the term 'modern' with the term 'contemporary'. Although these terms might seem interchangeable in a general sense, they have nuances. |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 11:33
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^Right. Got it. I'm glad this thread was revived. Modern Prog needs appreciation! ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 12:33
^I'll build on that. Since Modern/New Prog does not have it's own sub-genre section - which is right, since it isn't a sub-genre - but, simply because the retro bands get so much more discussion and there is a lot of confusion about (what I call) Modern/New Prog, should I make an index of new prog releases/bands? Very good website for this: https://newprogreleases.blogspot.com/ It also means I have a list of albums to review. Always another agenda. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 15 2020 at 12:42
Yeah, it's a good site. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 17 2020 at 12:44
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^Well, I might get round to making this index, but it'll take a long time. I'm reccomending two not-well-known-enough bands: Pyramid Theorem and Taskaha (though, to be fair, Taskaha are quite new). Since you apparently can't post videos here, here are links to two of their albums: Beyond the Exosphere, Pyramid Theorem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOO4y6l-5k8 Taskaha, Taskaha (not on Youtube - Spotify link) https://open.spotify.com/artist/2no7yBhyRC62GGnYuVlmMo These two bands are not at all related, by the way. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 17 2020 at 13:13
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You can post individual track videos just don't post full albums (or a set of individual tracks that make up an album) or carpet bomb pages with video after video after video like a certain Svet / Bobo character has a history of doing. Here's some new modern prog:- I'm sitting on the floor in front of the drummer freaking out in this clip.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 17 2020 at 13:20
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And here are some French school children being exposed to modern prog, music starts around 3.20. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 17 2020 at 13:25
If that's not cool music, I don't know what is. I actually have never bought any RIO records - though I think I'm missing something after hearing that. Any reccomendations? ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 20 2020 at 14:25
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^Suppose not. Well, I think there's a band called Magma that are pretty good in that area, so I'll listen to them. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 20 2020 at 14:32
Magma started in 1970. They are a zeuhl band, not RIO. They returned in the 2000s after a hiatus, they are still making music.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 20 2020 at 14:47
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The classics to start with are Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Thinking Plague. Let me know what you think and I'll recommend others ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 20 2020 at 14:54
Those are among the most recommended but there's also Present and Miriodor among several others. Not that I'm an expert. I'm just going by what I know based on others recommendations. I like Magma but as was mentioned they are considered Zheul and not RIO. One of these days I'll take the real plunge into RIO.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: September 20 2020 at 15:06
| Zeuhl and RIO have hella crossover. |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 20 2020 at 15:11
Thanks Ian, and AFKC. By the way (sorry if this is utterly insulting) but what is the difference between RIO, avant and Zeuhl, and why do people put them together often? Remember I am totally ignorant in these fields. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 20 2020 at 16:18
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Zeuhl is a genre based on Magma's approach, broadly its bands with a similar approach. Features jazz fusion with heavy driving fuzz bass and normally heavy on keys. Often repetitive and drving. RIO comes from the original Rock In Opposition movement in the 70s where Henry Cow, Univers Zero and a few others self organized due to lack of label support and promoted each other across Europe. Nowadays it is used to refer to avant garde experimental dissonant bands who merge rock, jazz, classical. Magma were doing their own thing around the same time as RIO and moved in th same circles. They are probably grouped together as there is plenty of crossover and fans tend to like both. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 21 2020 at 11:34
Thanks. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 05:07
I've listened to a bit (like I say, a bit ) of RIO - Art Zoyd mainly. A new band I recently have been listening to is Barock Project, recommend to all. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |