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Nogbad_The_Bad 
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Joined: March 16 2007
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 Posted: September 09 2015 at 14:43 |
 Smurph wrote:
All I need to know is which site has more conversations about Rock In Opposition and Avant Garde Metal.
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PE for the RIO, by a country mile.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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TODDLER
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Joined: August 28 2009
Location: Vineland, N.J.
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 15:29 |
presdoug wrote:
I had some rather bad experiences on PE, some of my music opinions didn't go down too well (and everyone is entitled to their opinions) and I was uncomfortable with continuing there so I left. |
It depends on the mixture of people. On Prog Ears a.. third post reply might be a person into 20th Century Avant-Garde and the 4th could easily be a Grand Funk Railroad fan. I don't want to hear about this extremist crap, I am a member of both sites, (unfortunately), and I speak the truth. When I first joined this site...I wanted to physically slam the butthead who kept replying to me , endlessly telling me that King Crimson were not a good band. How intelligent is it to say they are not good? Say that you don't like them, but don't ask for a lollypop one minute and the next minute attack with some moronic statement like that. I don't even listen to K.C. and I'm not that fond of them...but I don't say that they suck. You get a person like that on a site like this and then you have a bunch of Univers Zero and K.C. fans reading the ignorant post from a degenerate and they just laugh. I mean ...just because they listen to interesting music like RIO doesn't mean they are going to defend you or jump in anytime. It's like Daniel Denis standing next to Gene Simmons in church. It's a joke and that is why sometime this site is a joke...really! There are people on this site that I thank the universe for never having to meet. Like those snooty Prog morons at the "War Memorial" in Trenton, N.J...where Nektar played about ten years ago. Just because you play some complex Prog piece on an instrument, doesn't make you the most diverse musician on earth...do you know what I mean? Some people on P.A. are so ignorant that they actually think just because A MUSICIAN plays in a Blues band or a Rock band...that they could never play note for note ..an ELP or Genesis piece. To me..that is moronic and a bit over the top. ...and these people don't even know how to play an instrument. Now...that is what I dislike about both sites.
Edited by TODDLER - September 09 2015 at 15:35
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Dean
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout
Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
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Points: 37575
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 15:43 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi, Be it good or bad, is not what PE or PA should really be about. There is a concern, that I have, that I believe hurts the development of the vibe/theme/music that we love so much ... and that is the definition and a lot of its discussions are very sad, and sometimes weak, and the review/history/information section of each band at PA, is also very bad, and incomplete, and it is giving places like Wikimystick more credit than it deserves to have ... but at least it is a better "focused" database, whereas the PA design is STRICT database, and there is no focus or design to attempt to co-ordinate things so that the HISTORY, DESIGN and proliferation of the GENRE (in general as in Progressive) music is MORE VISIBLE. I think the Admin base at PA, thinks that the large number of folks hitting the website is enough to show they are a valid point of information ... what I find sad, is that more can be found at Wiki, about a band, than at PA, even with the reviews and interviews -- whose/which information and notes are grossly ignored in the blurbs about a band! The organization of information is weak and sometimes senseless. My wish? That the information have better co-ordination, so you could immediately learn about a band, and its music is showing as more important, than a poor review on one album, that hurts the over all idea of presentation, of the content. I like the honesty and the variation, but a review that is not discussing the music and the art, would not be helping define the band and its work. But this is an insane request, and probably too big an endeavor ... if PA is becoming just an aimless database ... with lots of folks in its forums ... then it is even more scary that the content itself, will be left behind, and eventually buried and not used. As Dean said a while back ... "it's just pop music" ... And I think this is the saddest thing and comment ever on the ability and desire to create a new form, or a new expression, in any art! At that moment I felt empty ... no one can create art anymore! No expression means anything at all! Extending that thought, then, what is the point of this board? I don't think that we live that kind of empty lives at all! PA and Prog included! |
*sigh* Whatever. If you continue to misquote me out of context then I'll promise not to give a flying fart what you think.
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What?
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presdoug
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 24 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 8651
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 15:51 |
TODDLER wrote:
presdoug wrote:
I had some rather bad experiences on PE, some of my music opinions didn't go down too well (and everyone is entitled to their opinions) and I was uncomfortable with continuing there so I left. |
It depends on the mixture of people. On Prog Ears a.. third post reply might be a person into 20th Century Avant-Garde and the 4th could easily be a Grand Funk Railroad fan. I don't want to hear about this extremist crap, I am a member of both sites, (unfortunately), and I speak the truth. When I first joined this site...I wanted to physically slam the butthead who kept replying to me , endlessly telling me that King Crimson were not a good band. How intelligent is it to say they are not good? Say that you don't like them, but don't ask for a lollypop one minute and the next minute attack with some moronic statement like that. I don't even listen to K.C. and I'm not that fond of them...but I don't say that they suck. You get a person like that on a site like this and then you have a bunch of Univers Zero and K.C. fans reading the ignorant post from a degenerate and they just laugh. I mean ...just because they listen to interesting music like RIO doesn't mean they are going to defend you or jump in anytime. It's like Daniel Denis standing next to Gene Simmons in church. It's a joke and that is why sometime this site is a joke...really! There are people on this site that I thank the universe for never having to meet. Like those snooty Prog morons at the "War Memorial" in Trenton, N.J...where Nektar played about ten years ago. Just because you play some complex Prog piece on an instrument, doesn't make you the most diverse musician on earth...do you know what I mean? Some people on P.A. are so ignorant that they actually think just because A MUSICIAN plays in a Blues band or a Rock band...that they could never play note for note ..an ELP or Genesis piece. To me..that is moronic and a bit over the top. ...and these people don't even know how to play an instrument. Now...that is what I dislike about both sites.
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Yeah, I see your point about the mixture of people, and how being sensitive to others and not being too extreme helps quite a bit. When i differ on a view of a musician or group with someone, I NEVER mean it as a personal attack on that person, it's just an opinion or view no more or no less viable than anybody else's. I feel sometimes people take criticism of the artists they like a bit too seriously or personally. If someone says Triumvirat is a second rate band, I never take it personally, even if it is the opposite of what I feel. But if they rammed that down my throat in an extreme and repetitive way, now that would irk me. And also, Johnny, I see your point about how some don't really understand what being a musician really entails. There are misconceptions all over the place, like the ones you have touched on.
Edited by presdoug - September 09 2015 at 16:35
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 17:26 |
presdoug wrote:
Yeah, I see your point about the mixture of people, and how being sensitive to others and not being too extreme helps quite a bit. When i differ on a view of a musician or group with someone, I NEVER mean it as a personal attack on that person, it's just an opinion or view no more or no less viable than anybody else's. I feel sometimes people take criticism of the artists they like a bit too seriously or personally.If someone says Triumvirat is a second rate band, I never take it personally, even if it is the opposite of what I feel. But if they rammed that down my throat in an extreme and repetitive way, now that would irk me. And also, Johnny, I see your point about how some don't really understand what being a musician really entails. There are misconceptions all over the place, like the ones you have touched on.
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Doug, you are my hero. If all fans would not react to criticism of their heroes, life would be great. I've worked with many musicians over the years and none were able to raise the dead or cure a disease. Some have been really great caring people, while others have been self centered brats. But the key word is that they're only people and fans should see them as such and should take any criticisms accordingly.
Edited by SteveG - September 09 2015 at 17:28
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twosteves
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 01 2007
Location: NYC/Rhinebeck
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Points: 4092
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 21:24 |
Just wanted to add-- PE is not strictly a prog site ---they discuss the NFL--and there is a thread now involving a feud with Paul Stanley (of Kiss?) and Dee Snider (Twisted Sister?)or some such nonsense  And other things that have little to do with prog.
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Stann
Forum Groupie
Joined: September 05 2015
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 45
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 21:46 |
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What would you say is the THIRD largest prog discussion venue?
Everything else - like, say, Melo's Prog Bazaar, is dinky or stupid.
The EM group?
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Kati
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 10 2010
Location: Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 6253
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 21:50 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Kati wrote:
Kati wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Just curious...are those here using the same screen names at PE because I didn't see any of you listed there. Again looking over their site I like the layout and board topics better here. |
I am on there dr wu23,  Not been there for a long while but I think they are very friendly and nice on there. My opinion here is valid as as much others considering that they disliked the artwork the second last album cover I made  they comment while not knowing the artist was me reading their comments, this said I still like them a lot, they are very funny plus have a great sense of humor and I like that.  big hug to you  |
Here you go |
Thanks for the thread link to PE,.....enjoyed reading that thread and I did not know you painted that Corvus Stone cover. Have you done others and art work in general? |
Hello Dr Wu, It was a pleasure really, I am glad you enjoyed that thread. Yes, I made all 3 album covers for Corvus Stone in cd booklet and digipack artwork. The band liked a track cover I made for them for their first single prior to album release and asked me to make an album cover for them, since then I have been doing all their artwork inc. animated cartoons for their videos. It's great fun because they give me full freedom to be creative. Here below are other band's album covers inc. cd booklet and digipack artwork I have done: Progeland - Gate To Fulfilled Fantasies Return to Mingulay by Oceans 5 Plus a cover for the single release from the same album for a track called 6000 Friends, which features a duet with Lorelei McBroom from Pink Floyd. Here if you want you can look at the animated videos I made for CS: Mr Cha Cha by Corvus Stone Corvus Stone Unscrewed promo Lisa Has a Cigar by Corvus Stone Scandinavians in Mexico by Corvus Stone I am not an artist, I do it for fun. Thank you and big hug to you, Dr. Wu
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Kati
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 10 2010
Location: Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 6253
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 22:00 |
O666 wrote:
3 or 4 years earlier I wrote my last post in PE. I discuss with Nad Sylvan on PE about copy or clone GENESIS. I found Nad very gentle and nice person. We discussed hard and after that he invite me for a Concert but Unfortunately I missed this Concert easily because of my job and....Honestly I LOVE PA more and I can't post and discuss in other music forums easily. My younger brother died in 2009 and after few weeks I found PA and PA helped me to back to normal life. I can't explain my meaning well because of my bad English and maybe its make misunderstanding. I guess, I will reach to 1000 posts in PA forums tonight and this is very important for me. |
Awww 0666, I am sad to hear about your loss and also glad to know that you found PA a great place to escape and helps you in a sense to ease a little bit in dealing with your pain. Music is one of the most wonderful things life has to offer and sharing the love we have for it makes it even better. Your English is good and you are a very nice and sweet person too. Huge hug to you, 0666
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A Person
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 10 2008
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Posted: September 09 2015 at 22:05 |
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presdoug
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 24 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 8651
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 00:45 |
SteveG wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Yeah, I see your point about the mixture of people, and how being sensitive to others and not being too extreme helps quite a bit. When i differ on a view of a musician or group with someone, I NEVER mean it as a personal attack on that person, it's just an opinion or view no more or no less viable than anybody else's. I feel sometimes people take criticism of the artists they like a bit too seriously or personally.If someone says Triumvirat is a second rate band, I never take it personally, even if it is the opposite of what I feel. But if they rammed that down my throat in an extreme and repetitive way, now that would irk me. And also, Johnny, I see your point about how some don't really understand what being a musician really entails. There are misconceptions all over the place, like the ones you have touched on.
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Doug, you are my hero. If all fans would not react to criticism of their heroes, life would be great. I've worked with many musicians over the years and none were able to raise the dead or cure a disease. Some have been really great caring people, while others have been self centered brats. But the key word is that they're only people and fans should see them as such and should take any criticisms accordingly.
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Thanks, Steve.
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20314
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 02:41 |
I just did, didn't I??  Whollllyyyy shiiiiite... 65000 post in less than 7 years...  Are you Ricochet and James combined in one body??
Edited by Sean Trane - September 10 2015 at 02:42
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Warthur
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 06 2008
Location: London, UK
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Points: 617
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 04:46 |
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Been a while since I looked at it. Has the site had a redesign? I remember being put off getting involved by the old format, but the layout seems much nicer now so I might give it a go.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 05:46 |
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They had to replatform as the previous version was crashing too often.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 06:39 |
Warthur wrote:
Been a while since I looked at it. Has the site had a redesign? I remember being put off getting involved by the old format, but the layout seems much nicer now so I might give it a go. |
the previous version was very specific and totally self-designed (based on 2011 technology/software) and had features that were totally original (never saw those elsewhere). This meant that the updates had to be specifically made for the site By 2010, many problems occured, and it was starting to crash and got attacked. It was time to change (it did in Nov 12), but the platform chosen was a standard model and many of the improvements promised (frame artwork, reviews space, polls space) never materialized (well it's only been almost three years so far). This mostly rests on the hands and shoulders of one man (two in the previous version), and he's got many things to deal with in real life
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 06:41 |
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I actually like the new PE site much better than the previous one, as it is much easier to find threads now that there are more subsections. The redesign seems to have put off some members, though, as the current membership is considerably smaller.
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Stann
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Joined: September 05 2015
Location: Canada
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Points: 45
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 07:28 |
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How is membership keeping-up HERE?
I surmise it is on the wane at most music discussion forums.
Nothing to do with layout.
Regards layout, one thing I do not like here:
1/what are they called? Signatures? (Where - in addition to your own avatar (logo) you end every post with the same picture or quote.) Moderators should KILL people doing this. It makes the place look a total mess. It is confusing the cat.(Remember that skit?)
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 07:31 |
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You don't like my wobbly goats?
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Stann
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 07:44 |
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No. Shove that elsewhere please.
And I do not relish tv commercials out to brainwash by continual mindless repetition - like that particular obnoxious milk commercial with the cheerleaders
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: September 10 2015 at 08:11 |
Stann wrote:
No. Shove that elsewhere please.
And I do not relish tv commercials out to brainwash by continual mindless repetition - like that particular obnoxious milk commercial with the cheerleaders
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Thank you for your input which I will happily ignore. Have a nice day.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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