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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What I like about Richard Strauss are his tone poems. His art of orchestration is at the greatest display in there. 

Indeed, Strauss was a master of orchestration.


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Wasn't "calling you out".  I've never actually seent he movie and don't care to, but I knew the R. Strauss was used. 

Not really sure what you're trying to say, here. ''The Blue Danube'' by Johann Strauss II is what is used in the Space Odyssey film. That's why I said what I did about ''muting that part in A Space Odyssey''. I have no knowledge of any 'R. Strauss' music at all, and would not claim to. 


Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

 If I "call you out" in the arena of classical music you WILL know it.


Well, that's GOOD to KNOW!


Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:


BTW, is there some special reason you feel obligated to act like a total Dickhead to everyone in every thread?  Just curious.

Sorry, but you made a very ridiculous assumption, so I called you out on it. Most of the time, I'm laying it on thick intentionally to try and be humorous, but hardly anybody here seems to understand that, and I make enemies. 

The fact that you care enough about what I say to even bother attempting to cut me down shows me how much you actually invest in internet conversation. Yes, you could say I'm doing the same thing, but remember, you spoke out first. You attempted to correct me over a 'mistake' that I didn't even make. So yes, I'm going to make sure everybody knows what a ridiculous post you made, but not in an intentionally antagonizing way. I'm dumber than most people on here, no doubt. I'm sure my worst mistakes on here are yet to come. So, try not to take what I say so personally.

 My suggestion to you would be to lighten up, realize this is just for fun, and take it all in stride. Once I figured that out, I became a lot less of a hot-head on here. (Although granted, sometimes I still get angry for real, but those instances become fewer and fewer all the time.)

Hope you're having a good day.

And oh yeah, Johann Strauss II still sucks. In my opinion. Tongue I couldn't say what i think of Richard Strauss, since I don't believe I've ever heard his work. But perhaps I'll give him a try someday.


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Johann Strauss II composed The Blue Danube.
Richard Strauss composed Also Sprach Zarathustra.
Both appear in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.
2001 is the greatest movie ever made.

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Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:


Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.



Not by anyone I've spoken too.

Normally its "that music in 2001"
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Points: 12813 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:38
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful.
 
As you imply I get straussed out by the whole of the 19th century Strauss clan's music (the 20th century Richard Strauss, is the exception), waltzes and all.
 
 
Mozart I've persisted with but find little to grab me, especially compared with other majors such as  Beethoven - but Haydn  is also one I avoid, so perhaps this is an end of the 18th century thing, rather than the beginning of the 19th.
 
 
WRT 2001, Blue Danube works on the big cinema screen as that PanAm spacecraft docking with the space wheel, but on the small screen the fact that  wheel "waltzing" through space is greatly diminished. Perhaps  the Ligeti seems far more appropriate  and intergral music for adding some tension to the hyperspace ride, especially  having viewed the film several times on the smaller screen.


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Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful.
Do you understand why commercial music today is so popular and successful?  Might actually be for similar reasons. Wink
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack.

I'm not so much into classical music, but I can agree here...
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Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.

It's also sometimes referred to as Xenosaga III. LOL
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Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Johann Strauss II composed The Blue Danube.
Richard Strauss composed Also Sprach Zarathustra.
Both appear in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.
2001 is the greatest movie ever made.

END OF STORY

Well, that shows my novice Classical knowledge, then. I had no idea that other piece was Richard Strauss. Now it makes a little more sense why there was confusion on trademark's part. 

I guess that means I like Richard Strauss, then. Thumbs Up
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"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.
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Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blue Danube, 5th Beethoven Symphony (The Destiny), Orff´s  O Fortuna (Carmina Burana) and many others popular classic pieces appears in lot of movies, advertisments and every key-signatures. Does it signify that these opuses are more commercial or less valuable than the others?
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:01
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"


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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.


What?  Why is that? As if people hav e any idea of which hated  version of "The  Blue Danube" they've heard on the radio or television. Many famous of popular recordings of the classics are tame and uninspired. It makes the piece duller than it is. Its a fact.

I don't hate any composer, Even Vivaldi is great. Love his sacred works (Stabat Mater, Salve Regina, Gloria). Bramhs? Did someone hate him?

I'm indifferent to everything I've heard by Britten, Haydn and Poulenc. And yes, Telemann is slightly annoying, but they're all a pure joy compared to neoprog. Oh, Franz Lehar, and every operetta I've heard bits & pieces from sounds like torture. Including Richard Strauss'. Comical opera; Its the opposite of fun.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:15
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"

Now you're patronizing me....again!
 

You know what..I've had enough of you. Conversation over.


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I don't hate any classical composers. But I have to say that Brahms has the most pieces that make me bang my head against the wall.
I also absolutely love Strauss! (ALL OF THEM! Big smile - from the clan and Richard as well)
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"

Now you're patronizing me....again!
 

You know what..I've had enough of you. Conversation over.

Damn you've seem to become really pissy lately.  I hope everything is OK with you, seriously.
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blue Danube, 5th Beethoven Symphony (The Destiny), Orff´s  O Fortuna (Carmina Burana) and many others popular classic pieces appears in lot of movies, advertisments and every key-signatures. Does it signify that these opuses are more commercial or less valuable than the others?

I never said anything of the sort. I simply said I can't stand Johann Strauss II as a composer. Why is everybody assuming that there must be some other factor? Why aren't I allowed to think that Johann Strauss II wrote crappy music? Is Classical music some kind of sacred thing that nobody is allowed to criticize on certain points?

I love Rock music, but that doesn't mean I have to adore every Rock band that ever existed. Sheesh. Confused
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"

Now you're patronizing me....again!
 

You know what..I've had enough of you. Conversation over.

Damn you've seem to become really pissy lately.  I hope everything is OK with you, seriously.

 Don't think I;ve been pissy lately so i'm fine.

But thanks for the concern.Smile
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Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blue Danube, 5th Beethoven Symphony (The Destiny), Orff´s  O Fortuna (Carmina Burana) and many others popular classic pieces appears in lot of movies, advertisments and every key-signatures. Does it signify that these opuses are more commercial or less valuable than the others?

I never said anything of the sort. I simply said I can't stand Johann Strauss II as a composer. Why is everybody assuming that there must be some other factor? Why aren't I allowed to think that Johann Strauss II wrote crappy music? Is Classical music some kind of sacred thing that nobody is allowed to criticize on certain points?

I love Rock music, but that doesn't mean I have to adore every Rock band that ever existed. Sheesh. Confused
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