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Topic: Classical composers you hate.
Posted By: JLocke
Subject: Classical composers you hate.
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 15:01
Okay, so yet another 'list your favorite composers' topic was recently made, so I thought I would try something that (I think!) is a bit different.

Come on. Most of us enjoy Classical music to some degree, but there has to be someone who writes 'art music' who you personally don't care much for. Talk about them here, perhaps? 

For me, one name immediately comes to mind: Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful. I realize he focuses on 'light music' mainly, but I enjoy waltzes and the like. But I honestly can't take Strauss. In fact, I always have to mute that part of A Space Odyssey, it grates so much on my nerves.

So, anybody else who bothers you as much as good ol' Strauss does me? 



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Posted By: Zebedee
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 16:14
I have to agree with you on Strauss. Can't stand his music either Wink

Verdi is another composer that I can't stand and his music irritates me almost as much as Strauss'.

I've also never really liked Mozart's works (with some exceptions). The man had an absolutely huge amount of talent, which is certainly evident in his compositions, yet his music lacks depth. I'm convinced that he could have composed much more interesting and emotional works if he wouldn't have been so dependent on wealthy patrons, who often demanded accessible and/or dancable compositions.

And Wagner lastly, is just too bombastic for my tastes. I admire him for his musical innovations (not his personality Wink), but nothing more than that.



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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 16:32
Well, I really enjoy Mozart a lot. However, I'm not sure if he's the complete genius everyone cracks him up to be. He's damn good, but I think Beethoven was better. Wink

As for the other guys, I haven't listened to them, I don't believe. But if you and I see eye-to-eye on Strauss, then I'd be afraid to even try them out. LOL

Thanks for taking the time to post in my thread. I appreciate it. Smile


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 16:46
I don't hate any.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 19:05
I can't say I hate any either.  More a matter of indifference.

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 19:43
I pretty much love them all (Johann Strauss to a lower degree though...). Baroque, romantics, nationalists, classics, serialists, etc, etc... I hate many many many prog rock and metal bands and musicians though. 




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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 19:59
^
yes, indeed, there are far more mediocre artists in popular music (including prog rock).
Classical music is rarely disappointing (well, maybe with the exception of serial and electro-acoustic experimentations, but I am not an expert in this field so I shouldn't judge without a deeper knowledge).


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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 20:03
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Well, I really enjoy Mozart a lot. However, I'm not sure if he's the complete genius everyone cracks him up to be. He's damn good, but I think Beethoven was better. Wink


I am not fond of his divertimenti, but I enjoy pretty much everything else I was exposed to.
Beethoven is more of a pre-romantic so not very comparable to the classicism of Mozart.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 20:18
 I used to dislike Telemann because I found his stuff to be common, but the more I heard the more I appreciated it.. these guys had to make a living and if they could do that and also compose on their own, they did




Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 20:22
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I can't say I hate any either.  More a matter of indifference.


This


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 00:39
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Well, I really enjoy Mozart a lot. However, I'm not sure if he's the complete genius everyone cracks him up to be. He's damn good, but I think Beethoven was better. Wink


I am not fond of his divertimenti, but I enjoy pretty much everything else I was exposed to.
Beethoven is more of a pre-romantic so not very comparable to the classicism of Mozart.

Well, granted. But I wasn't really trying to compare them, I was just saying which guy's music I personally like listening to more. Wink


Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:20
I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.

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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:24
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

What's your novel about, llama?


Tongue no need to be snarky.


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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:25
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

What's your novel about, llama?


Tongue no need to be snarky.

LOL I deleted that post after all, as you can see. Embarrassed


Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:27
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I can't say I hate any either.  More a matter of indifference.


This


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 04:51
Hate would be saying too much, but I don't care much about Anton Bruckner. His music is going nowhere, in my opinion.
And Richard Wagner I only listen to once a year, during the Bayreuth festival, but then I really listen to him - the whole Ring and whatever else is broadcast on the radio (WDR 3 fortunately broadcasts a lot of the festival). But listening to all 16 hours of the Ring is like eating a fat goose - you can''t eat anything else after that for a while, so for the rest of the year I usually abstain from Wagner and only get the  odd snippet of him which is being aired on WDR 3 in their "Klassik Forum" or perhaps a live broadcast from the Metropolitan opera ((there is one about every three month, and sometimes they do a Wagner opera).


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 05:33
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music.


Nothing like objective criticism is there?

How about backing up statements like 'Vivaldi is a hack' and 'Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music' then?

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 05:40
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music.


Nothing like objective criticism is there?

How about backing up statements like 'Vivaldi is a hack' and 'Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music' then?

Come on Jim! You know the forum better than that!Wink


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 06:00
D'oh!

I believe the expression is "my bad..." ?



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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 06:55
As regards romanticism, I don´t like Richard Wagner. His music is too bombastic, spectacular and, they say, anti-Semitic. Therefore he´s prohibited in Israel music halls.
 
Gustav Mahler or Antonio Vivaldi  e.g. aren´t my cup of tea too. But this is only a peak of glacier, spectrum of classical music is very, very wide...
 


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:02
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

As regards romanticism, I don´t like Richard Wagner. His music is too bombastic, spectacular and, they say, anti-Semitic. Therefore he´s prohibited in Israel music halls.
 

 

The music is not anti- semetic and he is not banned from Israel music halls.

And to describe his music as bombastic without adding that his music is also serene, ethereal and beautiful is a mistake.




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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:03
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.

That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either. LOL


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Posted By: Zebedee
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:27
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.

That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either. LOL

Reminds me of an Inspector Morse episode with the following memorable dialogue:

Morse: "That [cheering up] is about all Vivaldi is good for if you ask me."
Lady: "I... didn't know policemen were..."
Morse: "I'm a Wagner man myself"
Lady: "Oh... Wagner... now that is music. Although he was a horrible man..."
Morse: "Beauty and uglyness. I meet those in my profession everyday."



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:30
Originally posted by Zebedee Zebedee wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.

That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either. LOL

Reminds me of an Inspector Morse episode with the following memorable dialogue:

Morse: "That [cheering up] is about all Vivaldi is good for if you ask me."
Lady: "I... didn't know policemen were..."
Morse: "I'm a Wagner man myself"
Lady: "Oh... Wagner... now that is music. Although he was a horrible man..."
Morse: "Beauty and uglyness. I meet those in my profession everyday."


I love Morse.


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Posted By: Zebedee
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:36
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Zebedee Zebedee wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.

That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either. LOL

Reminds me of an Inspector Morse episode with the following memorable dialogue:

Morse: "That [cheering up] is about all Vivaldi is good for if you ask me."
Lady: "I... didn't know policemen were..."
Morse: "I'm a Wagner man myself"
Lady: "Oh... Wagner... now that is music. Although he was a horrible man..."
Morse: "Beauty and uglyness. I meet those in my profession everyday."


I love Morse.

So do I. In fact,  it's probably my favourite tv series ever. I've always felt like I could identify with Morse as played by John Thaw (and what a performance it is!).


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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:56
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Okay, so yet another 'list your favorite composers' topic was recently made, so I thought I would try something that (I think!) is a bit different.

Come on. Most of us enjoy Classical music to some degree, but there has to be someone who writes 'art music' who you personally don't care much for. Talk about them here, perhaps? 

For me, one name immediately comes to mind: Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful. I realize he focuses on 'light music' mainly, but I enjoy waltzes and the like. But I honestly can't take Strauss. In fact, I always have to mute that part of A Space Odyssey, it grates so much on my nerves.

So, anybody else who bothers you as much as good ol' Strauss does me? 


You're mixing your Strausses here JLocke.  The Blue Danube and Tales From the Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff (good material for a Prog metal opera)

The two are related (cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is not accurate.  Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one member.    I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my brothers and sisters have done.  LOL

Also, to the Bald Ones; the quote you attribute to Stravinsky (and he may well have said it) is credited orginally to the Italian serialist composer Luigi Dallipicola.


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 09:00
As for Mozart...



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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 11:40
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Okay, so yet another 'list your favorite composers' topic was recently made, so I thought I would try something that (I think!) is a bit different.

Come on. Most of us enjoy Classical music to some degree, but there has to be someone who writes 'art music' who you personally don't care much for. Talk about them here, perhaps? 

For me, one name immediately comes to mind: Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful. I realize he focuses on 'light music' mainly, but I enjoy waltzes and the like. But I honestly can't take Strauss. In fact, I always have to mute that part of A Space Odyssey, it grates so much on my nerves.

So, anybody else who bothers you as much as good ol' Strauss does me? 


You're mixing your Strausses here JLocke.  The Blue Danube and Tales From the Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff (good material for a Prog metal opera)

The two are related (cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is not accurate.  Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one member.    I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my brothers and sisters have done.  LOL

Also, to the Bald Ones; the quote you attribute to Stravinsky (and he may well have said it) is credited orginally to the Italian serialist composer Luigi Dallipicola.


I don't think he is mixing his Strausses. The Blue Danube is featured heavily in 2001.



Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music.


Nothing like objective criticism is there?

How about backing up statements like 'Vivaldi is a hack' and 'Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music' then?


Is the title of this thread "objectively critique classical composers?" No! I stand by my statements that have no basis in anything but my opinions.


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 11:44
John Cage, if he counts.

The mere concept of "4'33" angers me.


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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 12:39
^^ LOL

The mere concept of John Cage angers me


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 12:44
Í love John Cage. He was the Till Eulenspiegel, the Nasreddin of composers, the jester, the fool. You need such a person from time to time to hold a mirror at us. Erik Satie was quite similar, by the way


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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 14:20
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:



You're mixing your Strausses here JLocke.  The Blue Danube and Tales From the Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff (good material for a Prog metal opera)

The two are related (cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is not accurate.  Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one member.    I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my brothers and sisters have done.  LOL




Ermm


If I were talking about Thus Spake Zarathustra, I would have called it that. Nice attempt at calling me out, though. Actually, no, it was pretty weak. 


Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

 

I don't think he is mixing his Strausses. The Blue Danube is featured heavily in 2001.


Exactly. I knew all the smart people here would know what I was talking about.


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 14:27
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


Is the title of this thread "objectively critique classical composers?" No! I stand by my statements that have no basis in anything but my opinions.

lol, yup! I created this thread to vent your opinions, nothing more.

I think you were mocking me in that initial post, though. But it doesn't really matter, since I never said I had any good reason to hate Strauss other than personal taste. That;s kind of the point of the thread. Wink


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 14:59
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Okay, so yet another 'list your favorite composers' topic was recently made, so I thought I would try something that (I think!) is a bit different.

Come on. Most of us enjoy Classical music to some degree, but there has to be someone who writes 'art music' who you personally don't care much for. Talk about them here, perhaps? 

For me, one name immediately comes to mind: Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful. I realize he focuses on 'light music' mainly, but I enjoy waltzes and the like. But I honestly can't take Strauss. In fact, I always have to mute that part of A Space Odyssey, it grates so much on my nerves.

So, anybody else who bothers you as much as good ol' Strauss does me? 

"The Blue Danube" is a great piece of music. Yes, it is nothing but a waltz, but what a waltz! Full of surprises: Accelerandos, reletandos, diminuendos,,crescendos. It is not for nothing that when Brahms was asked for an autograph by a fan of his he scribbled the first few bars of "The Blue Danube" on the paper and added "Leider nicht von mir" ("Unfortunately not by me").


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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:03
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


Is the title of this thread "objectively critique classical composers?" No! I stand by my statements that have no basis in anything but my opinions.

lol, yup! I created this thread to vent your opinions, nothing more.

I think you were mocking me in that initial post, though. But it doesn't really matter, since I never said I had any good reason to hate Strauss other than personal taste. That;s kind of the point of the thread. Wink


I wasn't mocking you in the slightest. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I do happen to like Johann Strauss, but I don't begrudge you your preferences. I don't like Richard Strauss very much.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:05
The Blue Danube pretty much sucks..I agree.

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:23
I like Richard Strauss for his operas. "Salome", "Elektra", "Capriccio" or "Der Rosenkabalier" are either very dramatic or very funny. And any prog fan should like Salome's dance of the seven veils. Here a great stage version of it:




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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:27
What I like about Richard Strauss are his tone poems. His art of orchestration is at the greatest display in there. 

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:29
Isn't this the hate thread?

Come on people.......pay attention!


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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:30
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:



You're mixing your Strausses here JLocke.  The Blue Danube and Tales From the Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff (good material for a Prog metal opera)

The two are related (cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is not accurate.  Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one member.    I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my brothers and sisters have done.  LOL




Ermm



If I were talking about Thus Spake Zarathustra, I would have called it that. Nice attempt at calling me out, though. Actually, no, it was pretty weak. 


Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

 

I don't think he is mixing his Strausses. The Blue Danube is featured heavily in 2001.


Exactly. I knew all the smart people here would know what I was talking about.


Wasn't "calling you out".  I've never actually seent he movie and don't care to, but I knew the R. Strauss was used.  If I "call you out" in the arena of classical music you WILL know it.

BTW, is there some special reason you feel obligated to act like a total Dickhead to everyone in every thread?  Just curious.


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:30
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What I like about Richard Strauss are his tone poems. His art of orchestration is at the greatest display in there. 

Indeed, Strauss was a master of orchestration.


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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 18:09
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:


Wasn't "calling you out".  I've never actually seent he movie and don't care to, but I knew the R. Strauss was used. 

Not really sure what you're trying to say, here. ''The Blue Danube'' by Johann Strauss II is what is used in the Space Odyssey film. That's why I said what I did about ''muting that part in A Space Odyssey''. I have no knowledge of any 'R. Strauss' music at all, and would not claim to. 


Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

 If I "call you out" in the arena of classical music you WILL know it.


Well, that's GOOD to KNOW!


Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:


BTW, is there some special reason you feel obligated to act like a total Dickhead to everyone in every thread?  Just curious.

Sorry, but you made a very ridiculous assumption, so I called you out on it. Most of the time, I'm laying it on thick intentionally to try and be humorous, but hardly anybody here seems to understand that, and I make enemies. 

The fact that you care enough about what I say to even bother attempting to cut me down shows me how much you actually invest in internet conversation. Yes, you could say I'm doing the same thing, but remember, you spoke out first. You attempted to correct me over a 'mistake' that I didn't even make. So yes, I'm going to make sure everybody knows what a ridiculous post you made, but not in an intentionally antagonizing way. I'm dumber than most people on here, no doubt. I'm sure my worst mistakes on here are yet to come. So, try not to take what I say so personally.

 My suggestion to you would be to lighten up, realize this is just for fun, and take it all in stride. Once I figured that out, I became a lot less of a hot-head on here. (Although granted, sometimes I still get angry for real, but those instances become fewer and fewer all the time.)

Hope you're having a good day.

And oh yeah, Johann Strauss II still sucks. In my opinion. Tongue I couldn't say what i think of Richard Strauss, since I don't believe I've ever heard his work. But perhaps I'll give him a try someday.


Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:12
Johann Strauss II composed The Blue Danube.
Richard Strauss composed Also Sprach Zarathustra.
Both appear in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.
2001 is the greatest movie ever made.

END OF STORY


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:22
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:


Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.



Not by anyone I've spoken too.

Normally its "that music in 2001"


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:38
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful.
 
As you imply I get straussed out by the whole of the 19th century Strauss clan's music (the 20th century Richard Strauss, is the exception), waltzes and all.
 
 
Mozart I've persisted with but find little to grab me, especially compared with other majors such as  Beethoven - but Haydn  is also one I avoid, so perhaps this is an end of the 18th century thing, rather than the beginning of the 19th.
 
 
WRT 2001, Blue Danube works on the big cinema screen as that PanAm spacecraft docking with the space wheel, but on the small screen the fact that  wheel "waltzing" through space is greatly diminished. Perhaps  the Ligeti seems far more appropriate  and intergral music for adding some tension to the hyperspace ride, especially  having viewed the film several times on the smaller screen.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:45
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful.
Do you understand why commercial music today is so popular and successful?  Might actually be for similar reasons. Wink


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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 12:05
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack.

I'm not so much into classical music, but I can agree here...


Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 12:06
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.

It's also sometimes referred to as Xenosaga III. LOL


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 12:35
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Johann Strauss II composed The Blue Danube.
Richard Strauss composed Also Sprach Zarathustra.
Both appear in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is sometimes referred to as 2001: A Space Odyssey.
2001 is the greatest movie ever made.

END OF STORY

Well, that shows my novice Classical knowledge, then. I had no idea that other piece was Richard Strauss. Now it makes a little more sense why there was confusion on trademark's part. 

I guess that means I like Richard Strauss, then. Thumbs Up


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:06
"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:34
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.


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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:47
Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blue Danube, 5th Beethoven Symphony (The Destiny), Orff´s  O Fortuna (Carmina Burana) and many others popular classic pieces appears in lot of movies, advertisments and every key-signatures. Does it signify that these opuses are more commercial or less valuable than the others?


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:01
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"


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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:13
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.


What?  Why is that? As if people hav e any idea of which hated  version of "The  Blue Danube" they've heard on the radio or television. Many famous of popular recordings of the classics are tame and uninspired. It makes the piece duller than it is. Its a fact.

I don't hate any composer, Even Vivaldi is great. Love his sacred works (Stabat Mater, Salve Regina, Gloria). Bramhs? Did someone hate him?

I'm indifferent to everything I've heard by Britten, Haydn and Poulenc. And yes, Telemann is slightly annoying, but they're all a pure joy compared to neoprog. Oh, Franz Lehar, and every operetta I've heard bits & pieces from sounds like torture. Including Richard Strauss'. Comical opera; Its the opposite of fun.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:15
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"

Now you're patronizing me....again!
 

You know what..I've had enough of you. Conversation over.


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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:19
I don't hate any classical composers. But I have to say that Brahms has the most pieces that make me bang my head against the wall.
I also absolutely love Strauss! (ALL OF THEM! Big smile - from the clan and Richard as well)


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:25
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"

Now you're patronizing me....again!
 

You know what..I've had enough of you. Conversation over.

Damn you've seem to become really pissy lately.  I hope everything is OK with you, seriously.


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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:27
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blue Danube, 5th Beethoven Symphony (The Destiny), Orff´s  O Fortuna (Carmina Burana) and many others popular classic pieces appears in lot of movies, advertisments and every key-signatures. Does it signify that these opuses are more commercial or less valuable than the others?

I never said anything of the sort. I simply said I can't stand Johann Strauss II as a composer. Why is everybody assuming that there must be some other factor? Why aren't I allowed to think that Johann Strauss II wrote crappy music? Is Classical music some kind of sacred thing that nobody is allowed to criticize on certain points?

I love Rock music, but that doesn't mean I have to adore every Rock band that ever existed. Sheesh. Confused


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

"the blue Danube" is, like any other piece of classical music, as good as the orchestra that plays it. however, since it is very popular it is often played by mediocre or worse really bad orchestras. when played by a really good orchestra it is a wonderful piece of music. since it gets a lot of airplay, and often from orchestras which are not good, I can understand why some people  hate it. but just listen to it when played by an excellent orchestra

No thanks.

Please don't  presume people haven't heard a good version its extremely patronizing.

nonsense. there is nothing patronizing at all about the assumption that people have not heard a good version. look up the definition of "patronizing"

Now you're patronizing me....again!
 

You know what..I've had enough of you. Conversation over.

Damn you've seem to become really pissy lately.  I hope everything is OK with you, seriously.

 Don't think I;ve been pissy lately so i'm fine.

But thanks for the concern.Smile


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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:57
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blue Danube, 5th Beethoven Symphony (The Destiny), Orff´s  O Fortuna (Carmina Burana) and many others popular classic pieces appears in lot of movies, advertisments and every key-signatures. Does it signify that these opuses are more commercial or less valuable than the others?

I never said anything of the sort. I simply said I can't stand Johann Strauss II as a composer. Why is everybody assuming that there must be some other factor? Why aren't I allowed to think that Johann Strauss II wrote crappy music? Is Classical music some kind of sacred thing that nobody is allowed to criticize on certain points?

I love Rock music, but that doesn't mean I have to adore every Rock band that ever existed. Sheesh. Confused
I haven´t answered to your notice. I don´t comprehend your reaction.


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 16:14
^ . . . . huh? Wacko


Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 16:17
This thread is becoming awfully contentious. People around here take their classical msisc seriously.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 16:19
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

This thread is becoming awfully contentious. People around here take their classical msisc seriously.

BachClown
BeethovenWacko
MozartTongue
WagnerRawks


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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 16:44
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

This thread is becoming awfully contentious. People around here take their classical msisc seriously.
I agree with you. More serious is my thread "Your favourite classical composer(s)". That´s a parasite thread, I mean.Wink


Posted By: Zebedee
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 17:15
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blue Danube, 5th Beethoven Symphony (The Destiny), Orff´s  O Fortuna (Carmina Burana) and many others popular classic pieces appears in lot of movies, advertisments and every key-signatures. Does it signify that these opuses are more commercial or less valuable than the others?

I never said anything of the sort. I simply said I can't stand Johann Strauss II as a composer. Why is everybody assuming that there must be some other factor? Why aren't I allowed to think that Johann Strauss II wrote crappy music? Is Classical music some kind of sacred thing that nobody is allowed to criticize on certain points?

I love Rock music, but that doesn't mean I have to adore every Rock band that ever existed. Sheesh. Confused

I agree. Hate and irratation are, for the most part, emotional and irrational. Of course it's nice to provide some arguments on a forum, but that's never really been the point of this thread. Noone is obliged to like every single composer.

Johann Strauss II is the only composer that I really dislike. Practically all his compositions irritate me: I don't like the melodies, I find his music shallow, unemotional, and whatnot. Believe me, even the most perfect Strauss performance won't change that.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 17:30
Damn. I never expected to see a thread about classical music turn int the atheist/theist thread...

By the way, please stop saying Also Sprach Zarathustra is "also known" as 2001:Space Odyssey. The work's ral and only name is Also Sprach Zarathustra, a tone poem composed by Richard Strauss. 2001: A Space Odyssey is a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. Whoever knows a little about cinema and/or music will never refer to the music that opens the symphonic poem as "2001". 


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 17:50
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Damn. I never expected to see a thread about classical music turn int the atheist/theist thread...

By the way, please stop saying Also Sprach Zarathustra is "also known" as 2001:Space Odyssey. The work's ral and only name is Also Sprach Zarathustra, a tone poem composed by Richard Strauss. 2001: A Space Odyssey is a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. Whoever knows a little about cinema and/or music will never refer to the music that opens the symphonic poem as "2001". 

Thank you.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 18:04
 
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

By the way, please stop saying Also Sprach Zarathustra is "also known" as 2001:Space Odyssey.

Blasphemer!!!!Angry

Well you know accuracy is impotant.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 18:47
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Damn. I never expected to see a thread about classical music turn int the atheist/theist thread...

By the way, please stop saying Also Sprach Zarathustra is "also known" as 2001:Space Odyssey. The work's ral and only name is Also Sprach Zarathustra, a tone poem composed by Richard Strauss. 2001: A Space Odyssey is a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. Whoever knows a little about cinema and/or music will never refer to the music that opens the symphonic poem as "2001". 

Thank you.

Much obliged. 


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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 22:08
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Damn. I never expected to see a thread about classical music turn int the atheist/theist thread...

By the way, please stop saying Also Sprach Zarathustra is "also known" as 2001:Space Odyssey. The work's ral and only name is Also Sprach Zarathustra, a tone poem composed by Richard Strauss. 2001: A Space Odyssey is a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. Whoever knows a little about cinema and/or music will never refer to the music that opens the symphonic poem as "2001". 

Thank you.

Much obliged. 
Hey, I'm not saying I think it should be called 2001, it's just that some people who aren't too knowledgable on music or cinema do.


Posted By: Otto9999
Date Posted: October 28 2015 at 19:26

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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 28 2015 at 19:28
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

 
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

By the way, please stop saying Also Sprach Zarathustra is "also known" as 2001:Space Odyssey.

Blasphemer!!!!Angry

Well you know accuracy is impotant.
 
accuracy is impotent? 
 
wow, that's a profound statement.


Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 28 2015 at 19:31
I don't get the point of Webern at all. I mean some of the stuff I've heard (string quartets) have had their good moments, but overall it all feels very inconsequential and doesn't add up to much.


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 28 2015 at 21:18
I used to not like Webern, but he grew on me. It's Schoenberg I don't get.

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Posted By: tbonson04
Date Posted: October 28 2015 at 21:39
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I used to not like Webern, but he grew on me. It's Schoenberg I don't get.

Agreed on Schoenberg. Also, I don't get Bartok. Usually I like eastern European folk composers, but I just can't get into his pieces. 


Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 02:28
Schoenberg tests my patience, definitely, but out of his string quartets I've enjoyed a fair amount of it. Second quartet is pretty good imo.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 03:04
I know next to nothing on Classical composers - but the sheer pompousness of Carmina Burana choral work wants to make me puke - yet I love Magma, yet I have had a tough time for 20+ years accepting MDK as a 'masterpiece'........but I've heard about 17.5 seconds each of any of these historical composers...........


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 11:04
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Schoenberg tests my patience, definitely, but out of his string quartets I've enjoyed a fair amount of it. Second quartet is pretty good imo.
I'll have to give that a listen. With Webern there are a lot of subtle things going on sonically. With Berg there were moments of tonality that made the atonal parts more bleak. I'm just not quite sure what Schoenberg was going for. I do have yet to listen to his Quartets though.

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Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 11:38
I don't hate any classical composer but most of Mozart's music is not really my cup of tea. It sounds kind of empty and meaningless to me. I think many like Mozart's music for its serenity but I find that rather in Beethoven's and Schubert's early symphonies. I like Mozart's Requiem and Magic Flute, though.

For example this music is often compared to Mozart, but unlike Mozart is has so much warmth and life in it.






Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 11:46
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

I don't get the point of Webern at all.


I don't understand - he was a core of the Second Viennese School and had significant influence on a lot of 20th century avant-garde composers.  Now, if you don't like his stuff, no problem, but he very much "had a point".


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 11:51
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Schoenberg tests my patience, definitely, but out of his string quartets I've enjoyed a fair amount of it. Second quartet is pretty good imo.
I'll have to give that a listen. With Webern there are a lot of subtle things going on sonically. With Berg there were moments of tonality that made the atonal parts more bleak. I'm just not quite sure what Schoenberg was going for. I do have yet to listen to his Quartets though.


Try Schoenberg's Violin Concerto as well.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 11:57
If you want something more tonal from Webern, try "Im Sommerwind", a tone poem that he wrote early on while he was studying with Schoenberg.  Really beautiful piece with nothing "weird" going on.


Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 12:02
"Im Sommerwind" is great, I remember that from a concert long ago.


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 12:10
None, really. I used to hate Prokofiev's music, but then heard his 5th Symphony conducted by Serge Koussevitzky, and was converted.


Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 12:13
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

I don't get the point of Webern at all.


I don't understand - he was a core of the Second Viennese School and had significant influence on a lot of 20th century avant-garde composers.  Now, if you don't like his stuff, no problem, but he very much "had a point".
Okay, let me rephrase. I've found the Webern pieces I've listened to to be pointless.

Also, now that I think of it, haven't liked a lot of the Bach I've heard. Sounds very pompous to me.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 12:20
Well, what do you enjoy?  (even though it's blatantly anti-topic)


Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 20:44
Glass, Reich, Beethoven, Debussy, Stravinsky, and Varese are my favorites as far as classical goes.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 21:31
of Schoenberg I mostly enjoy "Verlärte Nacht", either in the Version for string sextet or for orchestra, and the "Gurrelieder"


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 08:45
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Glass, Reich, Beethoven, Debussy, Stravinsky, and Varese are my favorites as far as classical goes.


So mostly 20th century - I've only dabbled, currently I'm just too addicted to Romantic music.


Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 08:52
I hate Debussy. Not because his music is awful, I think it's very creative and complex at times, but when I have to play Debussy it's so frustrating he uses quite unusual keys and as a result, takes a lot of time to study and you have to check every chord you play each time you play it. I mean the amount of black keys is quite high and the chords are creative and not really what you'd expect in any way Ermm... LOL

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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 08:58
Hate is a very hard word, but i wonder why Tchaikovsky get that much credit compared to others i personally find much more interesting.    

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Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 09:15
He's Russian and everything ending with ov(/w)sky(/i) schould get the highest devotion!














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Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 10:38

 

 

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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:31
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

I hate Debussy. Not because his music is awful, I think it's very creative and complex at times, but when I have to play Debussy it's so frustrating he uses quite unusual keys and as a result, takes a lot of time to study and you have to check every chord you play each time you play it. I mean the amount of black keys is quite high and the chords are creative and not really what you'd expect in any way Ermm... LOL
Lol personally I think that'd make me like him more, but I like a challenge.


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 14:14
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

I hate Debussy. Not because his music is awful, I think it's very creative and complex at times, but when I have to play Debussy it's so frustrating he uses quite unusual keys and as a result, takes a lot of time to study and you have to check every chord you play each time you play it. I mean the amount of black keys is quite high and the chords are creative and not really what you'd expect in any way Ermm... LOL
Wait till you have to play Ravel. The harmonic structure of Debussy plus the hand stretches of Chopin.


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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 14:17
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Hate is a very hard word, but i wonder why Tchaikovsky get that much credit compared to others i personally find much more interesting.    
It's his orchestration that's typically praised. But I'm with you. I don't like him near as much as some of the other Romantics.

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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 14:57
Tchaikovsky's cool. Not amazing but I like his work.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 31 2015 at 08:36
None, but then I am more interested in new music.  But classical had its day and in its day, it was pretty good...


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Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: October 31 2015 at 08:42
pretty good the best ever! Wink Tongue 

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: November 01 2015 at 08:13
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

I hate Debussy. Not because his music is awful, I think it's very creative and complex at times, but when I have to play Debussy it's so frustrating he uses quite unusual keys and as a result, takes a lot of time to study and you have to check every chord you play each time you play it. I mean the amount of black keys is quite high and the chords are creative and not really what you'd expect in any way Ermm... LOL
Wait till you have to play Ravel. The harmonic structure of Debussy plus the hand stretches of Chopin.

the hand stretches are no problem for me since I have extremely huge hands. unfortunately I have extremely huge feet as well. I have to have my shoes custom-made because there aren't any in my size


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