Is Foxtrot... Boring?

Foxtrot boring? Not even close. Fantastic disc.

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Certif1ed wrote: I'm not even going to bother going back to see the previous discussion.   Foxtrot is not a boring album - it's one that some people take a long time to discover.   That's not patronising - it's fact.   If it bores you, you're the type that needs "hits", not art.

Fassbinder wrote: Certif1ed wrote:   If it bores you, you're the type that needs "hits", not art.   Now that's fine!   I have no idea what does "boring" mean, but I have serious suspections that it might seem a kind of expression similar (in its sense) to "it makes little impression on me" or "I don't find much interest in this album".   After some ten listenings I have the feeling that "_______________ "(insert any of the expressions you've just read in the previous paragraph).   Now the type that, apparently, needs "hits", not art, has a problem -- which album full of "hits" to choose for listening -- Over, or The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other, or A Passion Play, or Lizard...

Foxtrot isn't boring. It's stuffed with great and adventurous songs. Genesis' best to me!

Certif1ed wrote: schizoid_man77 wrote: Certif1ed wrote: I'm not even going to bother going back to see the previous discussion.   Foxtrot is not a boring album - it's one that some people take a long time to discover.   That's not patronising - it's fact.   If it bores you, you're the type that needs "hits", not art.   I hate "hits" ! way to JUDGE, read what I first said loser!     I'm not a loser - I'm a winner.   I wanted to annoy you because you said that one of my favourite albums was boring - and it worked.   Sorry about that - I have an evil sense of humour...

boring... hell no....

this album has cost me two speeding tickets  (love to put on 'Get 'em out by Friday' while out on the road )

I wouldn't say it was boring but I never listen to it all the way through as I would with Nursery Cryme or SEBTP. It starts well and ends well but the middle doesn't grab my attention.

micky wrote: boring... hell no.... this album has cost me two speeding tickets  (love to put on 'Get 'em out by Friday' while out on the road )

I can easily understand breaking a few traffic laws listening to that jam micky.

I  personally don't understand how anyone can find anything boring about Genesis, But to each his own.

Snow Dog wrote: Atomic_Rooster wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Atomic_Rooster wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Atomic_Rooster wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Atomic_Rooster wrote: Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard   Well....really it isn't. It's an entirely seperate piece with no connection to Supper's Ready. in the context of the album it is though, otherwise there would really be no point in placing it so conveniently. (or they may have just not put it in the album altogether, because it is a bit anticlimactic after the previous songs)   In the context of the.......what? I don't get it. I'm sure Hackett didn't write it though because the lads "need an introduction to Supper, Steve, so we do, to be sure".   That was an Irish Tony O'Banks. I'm not saying they got steve to write it for the sake of an intro, but it was lying around and they thought, hey this song works as a transitional piece between the previous songs and our gigantic epic that otherwise would appear extremely abrupt and out of proportion with the rest of the album (ok so they probably didn't think that exactly, but you get the point right?) Truthfully though, the song Horizons just isn't that great on its own, its alright for a neo-romantic guitar etude, but Kleyans, Brauer, and others were much better at the same time for that type of music, so its use as a transitional piece into Supper's Ready is really what makes it stand out   Of course Horizons is great on its own. It is, to this day, one of Hacketts most popular acoustic pieces. That's your opinion, No it isn't my opinion. How can it be an opinion that its still popular with Hackett fans? The proof is tangible. You just said it is great on its own, which is an opinion - GREATNESS IS NOT DETERMINED BY POPULARITY  but from a musical standpoint, its not progressive at all (not that that matters) and it pales in comparison with the majority of other guitar compositions at the time.  Just because its popular doesn't mean its good. This is totally irrelevent to any discussion we are having here. I neither claimed it was Progressive nor "good".  Now you're lying you did actually call it great.  OF COURSE this is irrelevant, but when you INSULT my opinion on the matter, you have made this personal and I'm not going to quit just because it's irrelevant Technically speaking, its just a very shallow piece when taken by itself  Now THAT is a matter of opinion.  No, it's an analysis of it's technincal form, which is not opinion, but a simple process of form study.  This is very easy to do and is highly regulated, so no, I didn't arrive on this because I thought, "Gee, Hackett is worse than these other guys, so I'll make up an excuse about how it's technically worse."  That's not how it works, man (there are many more emotional, beautiful, and technically better written pieces from the same time in the same style) Opinion again.  Of course this is an opinion, but a readily proved one but as an interlude between Supper's Ready and the rest of the album, its a nice piece of music. As it is when played alone, in itself also. That's your opinion and I find from your comments that it is unfounded except by your personal feelings which hold no weight for anyone else

You're not portraying yourself in a favorable light.

Since when am I not entitled to my own opinions about Genesis music?

Bastille Dude wrote: micky wrote: boring... hell no.... this album has cost me two speeding tickets  (love to put on 'Get 'em out by Friday' while out on the road ) I can easily understand breaking a few traffic laws listening to that jam micky. I  personally don't understand how anyone can find anything boring about Genesis, But to each his own.

  I do have a bit of a lead foot and a car that will move so they come easily enough.

I think the persistant view that Genesis are somehow....boring.. is perpetuated by a couple of things.  They are understated... well .. at least musically.  They weren't exactly 'high energy' on stage, and there is the matter of what their own record label (Charisma) said of them..

'they weren't getting written about because they were so f**king boring'

make up your own minds I guess


Edited by micky - May 23 2007 at 19:12