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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:53
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Anyone who supports the use of marijauna, think about THIS for a second:







No words....only rage.


You shouldn't speak like that Stoney. People really die! How can you live knowing you actually sent money to terrorists or drug dealers?Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:54
Also, think about that poor computer you hurt.  Probably from some marijuana-induced rage, I bet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:54
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

Well I wasn't referring to that specifically, but I can.

Turn in a murderer or betray his trust? The moral choice seems easy. You probably shouldn't promise to clients not to divulge their guilt if they confess it to you.

Very poor business decision, suicidal maybe. Moral though.

It's not a business decision, it's the law.

In some USA states, the lawyer may go to prison for six years and be sued for everything he/she has, plus in others the declaration of the lawyer is suppressed, as the declaration of a priest or a shrink.

The day a lawyer turns a client, he/she is disbarred in any part of the world, unless the client confesses he is going to kill somebody. 

Luckily I'm a civil lawyer and never been in that case.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:55
Marijuana is a gateway drug to throwing computers out windows.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:57
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

Well I wasn't referring to that specifically, but I can.

Turn in a murderer or betray his trust? The moral choice seems easy. You probably shouldn't promise to clients not to divulge their guilt if they confess it to you.

Very poor business decision, suicidal maybe. Moral though.

It's not a business decision, it's the law.

In some USA states, the lawyer may go to prison for six years and be sued for everything he/she has.

The day a lawyer turns a client, he/she is disbarred in any part of the world, unless the client confesses he is going to kill somebody. 

Luckily I'm a civil lawyer and never been in that case.

Iván


USA confirmed for batsh*t crazy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:58
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

Well I wasn't referring to that specifically, but I can.

Turn in a murderer or betray his trust? The moral choice seems easy. You probably shouldn't promise to clients not to divulge their guilt if they confess it to you.

Very poor business decision, suicidal maybe. Moral though.

It's not a business decision, it's the law.

In some USA states, the lawyer may go to prison for six years and be sued for everything he/she has.

The day a lawyer turns a client, he/she is disbarred in any part of the world, unless the client confesses he is going to kill somebody. 

Luckily I'm a civil lawyer and never been in that case.

Iván

It's also a business decision.

If you haven't picked up on it, I don't base right and wrong on the law.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:59
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

Well I wasn't referring to that specifically, but I can.

Turn in a murderer or betray his trust? The moral choice seems easy. You probably shouldn't promise to clients not to divulge their guilt if they confess it to you.

Very poor business decision, suicidal maybe. Moral though.

It's not a business decision, it's the law.

In some USA states, the lawyer may go to prison for six years and be sued for everything he/she has.

The day a lawyer turns a client, he/she is disbarred in any part of the world, unless the client confesses he is going to kill somebody. 

Luckily I'm a civil lawyer and never been in that case.

Iván


USA confirmed for batsh*t crazy.

Confirmed long before that inane law was passed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:00
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Marijuana is a gateway drug to throwing computers out windows.


No, that's PCP.

Or rather...

so delicious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:00
We've gotten into some sort of bizarre discussion here, but does anybody else agree with me that it would be better if people didn't want to use drugs? And I know that's almost certainly impossible, but I don't see any downsides to that hypothetical situation. But Textbook and I are massive squares, so that's probably why we think that.

Also, throwing a monitor out of a window is incredibly dangerous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:01
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

Well I wasn't referring to that specifically, but I can.

Turn in a murderer or betray his trust? The moral choice seems easy. You probably shouldn't promise to clients not to divulge their guilt if they confess it to you.

Very poor business decision, suicidal maybe. Moral though.

It's not a business decision, it's the law.

In some USA states, the lawyer may go to prison for six years and be sued for everything he/she has.

The day a lawyer turns a client, he/she is disbarred in any part of the world, unless the client confesses he is going to kill somebody. 

Luckily I'm a civil lawyer and never been in that case.

Iván


USA confirmed for batsh*t crazy.

Confirmed long before that inane law was passed.


yeah, electing a commie muslim was a pretty bad idea too. I bet he will enforce drug experimentations on high schools.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:02
I heard about that PCP story with the rapper.

So what's the moral here? PCP will make people delicious?

I'm on bored.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:05
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

We've gotten into some sort of bizarre discussion here, but does anybody else agree with me that it would be better if people didn't want to use drugs? And I know that's almost certainly impossible, but I don't see any downsides to that hypothetical situation. But Textbook and I are massive squares, so that's probably why we think that.

Also, throwing a monitor out of a window is incredibly dangerous.

I see a massive downside, people not enjoying life as much as they would with drugs.

I enjoy alcohol. Some people enjoy marijuana. I don't see an issue with that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:05
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

We've gotten into some sort of bizarre discussion here, but does anybody else agree with me that it would be better if people didn't want to use drugs? And I know that's almost certainly impossible, but I don't see any downsides to that hypothetical situation. But Textbook and I are massive squares, so that's probably why we think that.

Also, throwing a monitor out of a window is incredibly dangerous.


if you use any medication you are using drugs, so IN YOUR FACE STRAIGHT EDGE! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:05
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

 

USA confirmed for batsh*t crazy.

In Brazil, the law is exact:

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Also, the Penal Code determines that whomever incurs the crime of violation of professional secrecy may be sentenced to prison for a period of between three months to one year, or be liable to a pecuniary penalty.[26]  


But I agree that USA is crazy, the Miranda Rule is absurd.

Iván


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:07
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


If you haven't picked up on it, I don't base right and wrong on the law.


I agree with you it can generally be a bad idea to do that, as at least a social libertarian. I must say it's the safe thing for most of the populace, though. Things can get chaotic when the uneducated and the strongmen have their own kinds of intuition and sense of morality. In the end, there should always be some kind of guiding law for the populace, in my opinion. It would be nice is ours wasn't so full of horrible fail now.

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

We've gotten into some sort of bizarre discussion here, but does anybody else agree with me that it would be better if people didn't want to use drugs?


Probably, but people get depressed, life can be sh*tty and drugs can be a fun reprieve. People have kinda known this for millenia. Plus I think for most people, taking an indigenous psychedelic as a rite of passage or communal experience is a genuinely good idea, under the right conditions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:08
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

We've gotten into some sort of bizarre discussion here, but does anybody else agree with me that it would be better if people didn't want to use drugs? And I know that's almost certainly impossible, but I don't see any downsides to that hypothetical situation. But Textbook and I are massive squares, so that's probably why we think that.

I see a massive downside, people not enjoying life as much as they would with drugs.

If they didn't enjoy their life without drugs as much as they did with drugs, then they would still want to use drugs and my hypothetical scenario has not yet been attained.

Caio, I am currently not on any prescription medication, but there's a huge a difference between a prescription medication and using most illegal drugs. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:08
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

We've gotten into some sort of bizarre discussion here, but does anybody else agree with me that it would be better if people didn't want to use drugs? And I know that's almost certainly impossible, but I don't see any downsides to that hypothetical situation. But Textbook and I are massive squares, so that's probably why we think that.

Also, throwing a monitor out of a window is incredibly dangerous.


if you use any medication you are using drugs, so IN YOUR FACE STRAIGHT EDGE! 


You underestimate Henry's squareness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:09
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


If you haven't picked up on it, I don't base right and wrong on the law.


I agree with you it can generally be a bad idea to do that, as at least a social libertarian. I must say it's the safe thing for most of the populace, though. Things can get chaotic when the uneducated and the strongmen have their own kinds of intuition and sense of morality. In the end, there should always be some kind of guiding law for the populace, in my opinion. It would be nice is ours wasn't so full of horrible fail now.

Uneducated strongmen make our laws. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:10
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

We've gotten into some sort of bizarre discussion here, but does anybody else agree with me that it would be better if people didn't want to use drugs? And I know that's almost certainly impossible, but I don't see any downsides to that hypothetical situation. But Textbook and I are massive squares, so that's probably why we think that.

I see a massive downside, people not enjoying life as much as they would with drugs.

If they didn't enjoy their life without drugs as much as they did with drugs, then they would still want to use drugs and my hypothetical scenario has not yet been attained.

Caio, I am currently not on any prescription medication, but there's a huge a difference between a prescription medication and using most illegal drugs. 



Good point, but to take that wording really removes any significance to the argument.

Wouldn't it better if people didn't want to listen to music? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 23:11
Oh cmon Caio....sure caffeine is a drug as are prescription drugs (don't want to admit it, we all know its true!) and those are legal, and the latter even come in nice orange tubes with our name on it....

But they are legal so it's OK!


Most doctors and scientists have problems with a lot of the drug schedules but what the hell do they know?


Edited by JJLehto - January 16 2011 at 23:12
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