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Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:02
Gandalff wrote:
As regards romanticism, I donīt like Richard Wagner. His music is too bombastic, spectacular and, they say, anti-Semitic. Therefore heīs prohibited in Israel music halls.
The music is not anti- semetic and he is not banned from Israel music halls.
And to describe his music as bombastic without adding that his music is also serene, ethereal and beautiful is a mistake.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:03
thellama73 wrote:
I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.
That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:27
BaldFriede wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.
That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either.
Reminds me of an Inspector Morse episode with the following memorable dialogue:
Morse: "That [cheering up] is about all Vivaldi is good for if you ask me." Lady: "I... didn't know policemen were..." Morse: "I'm a Wagner man myself" Lady: "Oh... Wagner... now that is music. Although he was a horrible man..." Morse: "Beauty and uglyness. I meet those in my profession everyday."
Friendship is like wetting your pants: everyone can see it, but only you can feel its warmth.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:30
Zebedee wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.
That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either.
Reminds me of an Inspector Morse episode with the following memorable dialogue:
Morse: "That [cheering up] is about all Vivaldi is good for if you ask me." Lady: "I... didn't know policemen were..." Morse: "I'm a Wagner man myself" Lady: "Oh... Wagner... now that is music. Although he was a horrible man..." Morse: "Beauty and uglyness. I meet those in my profession everyday."
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:36
Snow Dog wrote:
Zebedee wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populits writing lame music. I'm also not too fond of Brahms.
That reminds me of a remark by Stravinsky: "Vivaldi wrote only one concert, but that one a hundred times". He obviously was not a Vivaldi fan either.
Reminds me of an Inspector Morse episode with the following memorable dialogue:
Morse: "That [cheering up] is about all Vivaldi is good for if you ask me." Lady: "I... didn't know policemen were..." Morse: "I'm a Wagner man myself" Lady: "Oh... Wagner... now that is music. Although he was a horrible man..." Morse: "Beauty and uglyness. I meet those in my profession everyday."
I love Morse.
So do I. In fact, it's probably my favourite tv series ever. I've always felt like I could identify with Morse as played by John Thaw (and what a performance it is!).
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 07:56
JLocke wrote:
Okay, so yet another 'list your favorite composers' topic was recently made, so I thought I would try something that (I think!) is a bit different.
Come on. Most of us enjoy Classical music to some degree, but there has to be someone who writes 'art music' who you personally don't care much for. Talk about them here, perhaps?
For me, one name immediately comes to mind: Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful. I realize he focuses on 'light music' mainly, but I enjoy waltzes and the like. But I honestly can't take Strauss. In fact, I always have to mute that part of A Space Odyssey, it grates so much on my nerves.
So, anybody else who bothers you as much as good ol' Strauss does me?
You're mixing your Strausses here JLocke. The Blue Danube and Tales From the Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff (good material for a Prog metal opera)
The two are related (cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is not accurate. Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one member. I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my brothers and sisters have done.
Also, to the Bald Ones; the quote you attribute to Stravinsky (and he may well have said it) is credited orginally to the Italian serialist composer Luigi Dallipicola.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 11:40
Trademark wrote:
JLocke wrote:
Okay, so yet another 'list your favorite composers' topic
was recently made, so I thought I would try something that (I think!)
is a bit different.
Come on. Most of us enjoy Classical music to some degree, but there has to be someone who writes 'art music' who you personally don't care much for. Talk about them here, perhaps?
For
me, one name immediately comes to mind: Johann Strauss II. Seriously.
His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods
are so popular and successful. I realize he focuses on 'light music'
mainly, but I enjoy waltzes and the like. But I honestly can't take
Strauss. In fact, I always have to mute that part of A Space Odyssey, it grates so much on my nerves.
So, anybody else who bothers you as much as good ol' Strauss does me?
You're
mixing your Strausses here JLocke. The Blue Danube and Tales From the
Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as
you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard
Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and
his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff
(good material for a Prog metal opera)
The two are related
(cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is
not accurate. Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one
member. I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my
brothers and sisters have done.
Also,
to the Bald Ones; the quote you attribute to Stravinsky (and he may
well have said it) is credited orginally to the Italian serialist
composer Luigi Dallipicola.
I don't think he is mixing his Strausses. The Blue Danube is featured heavily in 2001.
Jim Garten wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
I hate Vivaldi. Seriously, what a hack. Speaking of hacks, Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music.
Nothing like objective criticism is there?
How about backing up statements like 'Vivaldi is a hack' and 'Puccini is nothing more than a populist writing lame music' then?
Is the title of this thread "objectively critique classical composers?" No! I stand by my statements that have no basis in anything but my opinions.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 12:44
Í love John Cage. He was the Till Eulenspiegel, the Nasreddin of composers, the jester, the fool. You need such a person from time to time to hold a mirror at us. Erik Satie was quite similar, by the way
Edited by BaldJean - August 09 2010 at 12:45
A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 14:20
Trademark wrote:
You're mixing your Strausses here JLocke. The Blue Danube and Tales From the Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff (good material for a Prog metal opera)
The two are related (cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is not accurate. Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one member. I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my brothers and sisters have done.
If I were talking about Thus Spake Zarathustra, I would have called it that. Nice attempt at calling me out, though. Actually, no, it was pretty weak.
thellama73 wrote:
I don't think he is mixing his Strausses. The Blue Danube is featured heavily in 2001.
Exactly. I knew all the smart people here would know what I was talking about.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 14:27
thellama73 wrote:
Is the title of this thread "objectively critique classical composers?" No! I stand by my statements that have no basis in anything but my opinions.
lol, yup! I created this thread to vent your opinions, nothing more.
I think you were mocking me in that initial post, though. But it doesn't really matter, since I never said I had any good reason to hate Strauss other than personal taste. That;s kind of the point of the thread.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 14:59
JLocke wrote:
Okay, so yet another 'list your favorite composers' topic was recently made, so I thought I would try something that (I think!) is a bit different.
Come on. Most of us enjoy Classical music to some degree, but there has to be someone who writes 'art music' who you personally don't care much for. Talk about them here, perhaps?
For me, one name immediately comes to mind: Johann Strauss II. Seriously. His music really irritates me. I don't understand why pieces such as The Blue Danube and Tales from the Vienna Woods are so popular and successful. I realize he focuses on 'light music' mainly, but I enjoy waltzes and the like. But I honestly can't take Strauss. In fact, I always have to mute that part of A Space Odyssey, it grates so much on my nerves.
So, anybody else who bothers you as much as good ol' Strauss does me?
"The Blue Danube" is a great piece of music. Yes, it is nothing but a waltz, but what a waltz! Full of surprises: Accelerandos, reletandos, diminuendos,,crescendos. It is not for nothing that when Brahms was asked for an autograph by a fan of his he scribbled the first few bars of "The Blue Danube" on the paper and added "Leider nicht von mir" ("Unfortunately not by me").
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:03
JLocke wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Is the title of this thread "objectively critique classical composers?" No! I stand by my statements that have no basis in anything but my opinions.
lol, yup! I created this thread to vent your opinions, nothing more.
I think you were mocking me in that initial post, though. But it doesn't really matter, since I never said I had any good reason to hate Strauss other than personal taste. That;s kind of the point of the thread.
I wasn't mocking you in the slightest. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I do happen to like Johann Strauss, but I don't begrudge you your preferences. I don't like Richard Strauss very much.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:23
I like Richard Strauss for his operas. "Salome", "Elektra", "Capriccio" or "Der Rosenkabalier" are either very dramatic or very funny. And any prog fan should like Salome's dance of the seven veils. Here a great stage version of it:
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 15:30
JLocke wrote:
Trademark wrote:
You're mixing your Strausses here JLocke. The Blue Danube and Tales From the Vienna Woods are by Johann Strauss and Thus Spake Zarathustra (Or as you refer to it A Space Odysssey) is by Richard Strauss. Richard Strauss was for most of his careerc a dedicated devotee of Wagner and his opers like Salome and Elektra are pretty darkl and gruesom stuff (good material for a Prog metal opera)
The two are related (cousins of some sort, I think) but to call them the same composer is not accurate. Don't blame the whole family for the actions of one member. I know I don't want to be responsible for everything my brothers and sisters have done.
If I were talking about Thus Spake Zarathustra, I would have called it that. Nice attempt at calling me out, though. Actually, no, it was pretty weak.
thellama73 wrote:
I don't think he is mixing his Strausses. The Blue Danube is featured heavily in 2001.
Exactly. I knew all the smart people here would know what I was talking about.
Wasn't "calling you out". I've never actually seent he movie and don't
care to, but I knew the R. Strauss was used. If I "call you out" in the
arena of classical music you WILL know it.
BTW, is there some special reason you feel obligated to act like a total Dickhead to everyone in every thread? Just curious.
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