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mr.cub 
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 Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:15 |
Aqualung pretty much sums it up for me. Religion fascinates me, but I have never found the comfort and assurances other people find in it. I like to believe in the existence of God, but it is extremely difficult for me to do so. I'm an agnostic who occasionally attends church and I'm naturally attracted to lyrical content that understands my spiritual dilemma of sorts...
Jon Anderson based Tales off Shastic Scriptures; I find this and the eastern mysticism throughout his lyrical work intriguing as well. To me if it fits the music well, I have no problem with the lyrical content as long as it doesn't look down upon the listener (feeling their views are fact and superior to another) or insult the listener and his freedom to formulate his own opinion.
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Slartibartfast
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:31 |
Is this preachy? "Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
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"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:34 |
 StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Just a little bit.  How about this? Requests your earthly presence at The vicarage for tea. And the graven image you-know-who -- With his plastic crucifix -- Hes got him fixed --" Jethro Tull My God admin edit: posting full lyrics is a copyright breach, please don't do it.
Edited by Tony R - May 30 2009 at 12:37
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Evolver
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:35 |
Epignosis wrote:
The album has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. And who cares if the church hasn't sold indulgences in centuries- the album is about the importance of Martin Luther. In his day, it was a big deal.
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It all depends on how it is told. I enjoyed the album by Amaseffer, even though it's a biblical story. I see nothing offensive in telling the story of Martin Luther, if it is done in a historical sense. I understand he was important, historically. Just don't tell me I have to worship him.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:35 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Just a little bit.
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It is why i don't listen to Morse. It's over and over and over. One or two songs,OK, I can deal with that.
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Evolver
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:55 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?
"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Just a little bit.
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It is why i don't listen to Morse. It's over and over and over. One or two songs,OK, I can deal with that. |
Also, the way he left Spock's Beard, saying he couldn't play music that didn't deliver his message was something of a giveaway.
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:04 |
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
The album has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. And who cares if the church hasn't sold indulgences in centuries- the album is about the importance of Martin Luther. In his day, it was a big deal.
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It all depends on how it is told. I enjoyed the album by Amaseffer, even though it's a biblical story. I see nothing offensive in telling the story of Martin Luther, if it is done in a historical sense. I understand he was important, historically. Just don't tell me I have to worship him. |
Morse does not tell you to worship him. And why would you?
Edited by Epignosis - May 28 2009 at 19:05
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:06 |
The Only Way
People are stirred, moved by the Word. Kneel at the shrine, deceived by the wine. How was the earth conceived? Infinite space-- is there such a place?
You must believe in the human race.
ELP (Greg Lake, lyrics)
Most here on Prog Archives know this one. It certainly is about religion, and has a point of view, although if you read carefully, it's live-and-let-live ("who lights your way? Only you can say.") And how clever the title (and use of organ, the Western church instrument) capturing the no-doubt-in-my-mind arrogance both sides display.
admin edit: posting full lyrics is a copyright breach, please don't do it.
Edited by Tony R - May 30 2009 at 12:36
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:07 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Nope. Those words are scriptural; I see nothing wrong with representing the Bible in prog.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:10 |
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Nope. Those words are scriptural; I see nothing wrong with representing the Bible in prog.
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And that is OK if it's what you like.
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Evolver
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:13 |
Epignosis wrote:
Morse does not tell you to worship him. And why would you?
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Now, I didn't say Morse did preach, just that I assumed he did from the reviews of his albums, and his parting statement when he left SB. But if the lyrics posted above are his, they sound like prayers, more specifically, the type of prayers that often pass a Christian rock lyrics. They do not seem terribly creative, and actually quite boring. The music behind them would have to be spectacular to make it worth listening to.
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:23 |
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Morse does not tell you to worship him. And why would you?
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Now, I didn't say Morse did preach, just that I assumed he did from the reviews of his albums, and his parting statement when he left SB. But if the lyrics posted above are his, they sound like prayers, more specifically, the type of prayers that often pass a Christian rock lyrics. They do not seem terribly creative, and actually quite boring. The music behind them would have to be spectacular to make it worth listening to. |
Of course they are not "creative." They are from the Bible. Where else should a Christian derive his lyrics?
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:23 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Nope. Those words are scriptural; I see nothing wrong with representing the Bible in prog.
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And that is OK if it's what you like. |
Everything is OKAY in prog so long as you like it.
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cobb2
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:27 |
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I treat religious lyrics like any other epic fantasy...
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:35 |
cobb2 wrote:
I treat religious lyrics like any other epic fantasy... |
And Prog is full of fantasy.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:40 |
Epignosis wrote:
Everything is OKAY in prog so long as you like it.
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By the way, have you listened to Rick Wakeman's In The Beginning? An album in which the female vocalist reads excerpts from the Bible with Rick doing music. I'd have to say that's non-preachy. I think you'd like it. Of course if you want to go into a whole weird area, there is always The Residents Wormwood....
Epignosis wrote:
Of course they are not "creative." They are from the Bible. Where else should a Christian derive his lyrics?
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From his own creative intellect perhaps? And weren't the Biblical texts creative in their own right?
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 28 2009 at 20:27
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 20:06 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Everything is OKAY in prog so long as you like it.
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By the way, have you listened to Rick Wakeman's In The Beginning? An album in which the female vocalist reads excerpts from the Bible with Rick doing music. I'd have to say that's non-preachy. I think you'd like it.
Of course if you want to go into a whole weird area, there is always The Residents Wormwood....
Epignosis wrote:
Of course they are not "creative." They are from the Bible. Where else should a Christian derive his lyrics?
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From his own creative intellect perhaps? And weren't the Biblical texts creative in their own right?
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If I sang lines from The Odyssey, I don't think that counts as being creative lyrically.
Also, I've much (not all) of Wormwood. It is based on poor interpretations of the culture of the Bible (like the story of Jephthah- he did not burn his daughter, for instance).
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 20:27 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 20:42 |
Epignosis wrote:
The album has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. And who cares if the church hasn't sold indulgences in centuries- the album is about the importance of Martin Luther. In his day, it was a big deal.
Sorry, but I just reviewed Sola Scriptura and Morse is not "preaching."
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Of course it has nothing to do with JW, that was my example, but say whatever, Morse is preaching, teaching Luther from a Christian perspective and attacking other religion......That's why I believe evangelism in Rock is wrong.
You say he's not preaching, to the text I go
So in my hour of pain and sorrow
Please, Jesus, walk me through the dark
'Cause if I die with him I will rise again
With heaven in my heart
Oh God, help me to have heaven in my heart
My God he has a plan and I can do no other
God help me, here I stand, this is the only way
Please man, this is not a historical perspective, this is clear preaching
Look I got two big horns like a lamb
Even though Peter was married I can't
Look I've got great big armie like a General
I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero
This is an attack to principles of the Catholic faith that subsist until today like celibacy, you may agree or not with it, but it's part of our beliefs...No relation with indulgences, just an excuse to attack.
We'll take the Roman Gods except the names will all be changed
This is an attack to the Saints, has no relation with indulgences, is just an excuse to preach attacking a different belief.
So please, it's obvious he's preaching.
Iván
admin edit: posting full lyrics is a copyright breach, please don't do it.
Edited by Tony R - May 30 2009 at 12:38
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