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Stann 
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 Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:32 |
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Dean: yourself and Svet are amongst the best posters here.
Whether your at each other's necks or not.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:33 |
 Dean wrote:
If Prog Ears is a Svetonio free zone I may just jump ships. |
But alas, Dean, as the old bromide goes: Loose lips sink ships. 
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Dean
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Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:44 |
Stann wrote:
Dean: yourself and Svet are amongst the best posters here.
Whether your at each other's necks or not.
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Prolific yes, but best?... not by a long shot.
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What?
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zravkapt
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Posted: September 06 2015 at 18:04 |
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Also, the PE forum has a limit of 3 embedded YouTube clips per post...so your computer doesn't get slowed down because someone posted three hours worth of vids.
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Magma America Great Make Again
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Man With Hat
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Posted: September 06 2015 at 19:32 |
I like PE for the news/current releases/band information side of things. It's usually there I find out about new releases or weather a band broke up or etc. PA's database and reviews section is unrivaled, so I wouldn't be without either of them. But I'd choose PA over PE if you force me too. I like that we can discuss anything here, and I prefer the personalities, though the latter has gotten better over at PE since the move to new site.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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twosteves
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Posted: September 06 2015 at 23:40 |
dr wu23 wrote:
I just spent about 30 minutes checking it out (I did register btw), ....and I have to say that I like the thread topics and layout better here. |
this is the filet mignon to their hamburger.  I mean nothing wrong with hamburger---but..........
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Kazza3
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Location: Australia
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 03:49 |
I prefer PA, but the Cardiacs thread on PE is a thing of beauty.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 04:36 |
Stann wrote:
Sean, I do not suppose you want to get into it, but still I try:
what did that past antagonism mainly center upon?
I am not certain , but I seem to recal that a month or so back at Prog Ears forum, the moderators decided to put a temporary bann on posts along this line (or was it "best of" posts, which are equally space-wasting).
That was a very wise and much-needed decision.
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Yup, don't want to delve much further than just below. let's just say that a few prog-circles economic actors who are regular posters there were particularly pissed off at PA's owners ruthlessness in the DB's building days. ========================= Yup, the PE moderation (only three of them) is certainly stricter in PA: no religion or political talk (for experience, it almost came down to a nuclear war on a few occasions), though they're definitely more laxist in terms of porn or nudity (though you have to know where to find it)
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I started on PE, but the site became less friendly |
Dedfinitely tougher to survive en PE than on PA, I'll agree
Stann wrote:
BrufordFreak wrote:
impatience, intolerance, and sarcasm. |
You seem to be saying that one has to develope a second skin to post at Prog Ears - I totally disagree with you there: it is a rather tame forum. Very friendly. No worries.
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naaaahhhh, you do need a thicker skin than for here... If you're talking BS, you'll get called upon. as said here before, the membership is averaging much older than here... A fait bit of the pillars are around the 55-65 landmark and many lived it from much closer than most here.
Dean wrote:
If Prog Ears is a Svetonio free zone I may just jump ships. |
and I'm the nasty one, uh?? 
Edited by Sean Trane - September 07 2015 at 04:44
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Dean
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 05:44 |
I've never been a member of PE or spent any time there lurking, while I was an Admin here I chose to keep my distance if only out of diplomacy, (contrary to popular belief, I don't go looking for trouble, it seems to find me all by itself). I've always preferred a more laissez faire style of moderation that relies on the self-discipline of the membership myself, and that seems to work quite well around here (up to a point). I wouldn't want to see PA put too many restrictions on posts and threads here for established members (curtailing the exuberance of noobies and fly-by-night spammers is an unfortunate necessity sometimes).
[IMO "Best of" and other similar polls and ladder tournaments should be regarded as harmless and just for fun, along with album rating-charts and other pseudo-competitive games.]
Back in the day, when PE was more than a discussion forum, it was a very useful resource when evaluating new bands here, not to plunder their knowledge-base (none of us have a monopoly on freely available biographical and discography data), but more as a sanity check if you like. If the folk at PE regarded a marginal/controversial artist as Prog it added further weight to their inclusion here. The same was true of GEPR, Gagliarchives, Gnosis2000 and ProGGnosis.
There may have been some animosity in the past though I've never experienced any direct antagonism. Here we certainly noted with some concern whenever PE's site went down for any reason, which reflects a degree of Prog community brotherhood that exists among all the pro-Prog websites and forums that remarkably still remain active after all these years. How PE regards PA and vice versa has never concerned me, we share too many members for that to ever be an issue.
So welcome Stann, I hope you'll join in some of the discussions here, we're not a bad lot. 
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Big Ears
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Joined: February 08 2005
Location: Hants, England
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 05:45 |
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I post on both PA and PE, but not very often. I departed for the classic rock forums, which tend to be less partisan, but rarely contribute to them these days. I am not afraid to say I loved rock music forums for a while, but have become disillusioned for a variety of reasons.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 06:49 |
Dean wrote:
Back in the day, when PE was more than a discussion forum, it was a very useful resource when evaluating new bands here, not to plunder their knowledge-base (none of us have a monopoly on freely available biographical and discography data), but more as a sanity check if you like. If the folk at PE regarded a marginal/controversial artist as Prog it added further weight to their inclusion here. The same was true of GEPR, Gagliarchives, Gnosis2000 and ProGGnosis.
There may have been some animosity in the past though I've never experienced any direct antagonism. Here we certainly noted with some concern whenever PE's site went down for any reason, which reflects a degree of Prog community brotherhood that exists among all the pro-Prog websites and forums that remarkably still remain active after all these years. How PE regards PA and vice versa has never concerned me, we share too many members for that to ever be an issue. |
Yeah, the one thing I regret (and I don't think i'm the only one) is that the passage from PE2.0 to PE3.0 (first version of PE was very basic, apparently) is the loss of the reviews and the poll results (and to make new ones) >> they're still stocked somewhere, but they never got around to "get it up" in the almost-3 years of 3.0 PE. As for the one-way antagonism (now a thing of the past), it was discernible in some threads or PMs (which can be groups, sometimes of up to 25), but since there was no thread archiving on PE2.0 (they died after a few months without posting), there was also much fine information that disappeared into oblivion. Actually I kind of like the smaller (snoggier) PE, because here, it's too big... too many specific forums to check... and unless using tracers (in PE, just posting in X Y or Z does it), finding where you posted in PA is difficult another thing I liked and disliked in PE: the post counts and post limits... in PE2.0, you were limited to 75 posts/week, buit you could suppress old one to keep posting... which kind of ruined the legibility of threads a few days after. but in both version of PE, they never kept visible counts of posts, wghich I find very cool. It avoids a sense of superiority or ancienneté (this was wiped out with the PE3.0 not taking join dates of PE2.0) over others. I was always embarrased by a big number of posts, anyways >> makes it look like I got nothing better to do with my life than hang around forums  ...
Edited by Sean Trane - September 07 2015 at 06:56
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miamiscot
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 14:29 |
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Love 'em both!!!
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cstack3
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 16:52 |
I'll stick with PA, thanks. I've grown to like some of you blokes! 
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Raff
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 17:42 |
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I actually found out about PE about a year before PA, but I did not register as a member until much later - and then ended up deleting my account soon afterwards. This happened another two times, the last just before the PE forum migrated to the current server. As most PE members are based in the US, I know many of them by sight, but have had direct dealings with few of them, and as a whole tend to dislike the cliquish atmosphere. There also a fair amount of sexism there, and the nasty remarks about Italians made by one member (who is a musician) some years ago have discouraged me from joining again. That being said, PE is a good source of information (especially as regards US gigs), and this is why I am a regular lurker there.
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Rando
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 19:05 |
Stann wrote:
Any love? |
No love lost! Strange lot there! Maybe my Italian heritage just feels more at home here!
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- Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats -
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 19:24 |
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Kind of weird to hear all the poor experiences people have had over there, I generally speaking have no issues with people over there. The demographic is a bit older and there are experts in their particular areas. But I find the dialogue fun, maybe I'm as prickly as they are, I don't know. It's a smaller community and I feel there are several significant industry insiders, particularly on the avant side of things.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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micky
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 19:50 |
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ehh.. perhaps it is a older crowd. It is definitely a more knowledgeable one.. if you want to have fun and learn a little.. come here.. if you want to lurk or be ignored but learn a lot.. go there.
I like the cultural diversity here as well as the age differences. You have some here who know as much as anyone there..but you have some that wouldn't know a RPI album if it bit them on the ass.
the differences is in the overall vibe. One is warm and friendly with no cliques... the other cold and detached with a definite pecking order and cliques which probably have developed over many years.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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twosteves
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 20:01 |
Maybe I am wrong but a long thread about how great Yes sounds live now--and how billy is a great addition to the group and nailing Squire's parts---and the group still has it---and so many people agreeing--would never appear on here I don't think----I find this delusional fan boy stuff silly---and I am a fan boy--just not delusional.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 20:35 |
micky wrote:
ehh.. perhaps it is a older crowd. It is definitely a more knowledgeable one.. if you want to have fun and learn a little.. come here.. if you want to lurk or be ignored but learn a lot.. go there.
I like the cultural diversity here as well as the age differences. You have some here who know as much as anyone there..but you have some that wouldn't know a RPI album if it bit them on the ass.
the differences is in the overall vibe. One is warm and friendly with no cliques... the other cold and detached with a definite pecking order and cliques which probably have developed over many years.
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See I don't find that at all, I think its complete bollocks.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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micky
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Posted: September 07 2015 at 20:38 |
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in all fairness. I haven't posted there in many years. Perhaps it has changed.. perhaps it has become warm and friendly place today. It sure wasn't when I bothered to try to join into conversations there.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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