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geneyesontle
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 17:51 | |
You should listen to what King Crimson and Rush had done in this era. |
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kenethlevine
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 18:04 | |
IMO Eloy's best came with their first 3 of the 80s - Colours, Planets, and Time to Turn
Camel's Stationary Traveler may not be their best but it is a high point Outer Limits put out a few strong albums in the 80s David Sylvian "Secrets of the Beehive" Mike Oldfield's QE2 and 5 Miles Out Amenophis s/t Pererin "Teithgan" and "Haul Ar Yr Eira" Anyone's Daughter's "In Blau" and "Neu Sterne" are both up there Asia Minor "Between Flesh and Divine" Osiris s/t and "Myths and Legends" Asturcon s/t Blue Oyster Cult "Fire of Unknown Origin" Itoiz "Ezekiel" Magdalena s/t (The Basque group) Novalis "Augenblicke" Sally Oldfield "Celebration" Pablo El Enterrador s/t Rebekka "Phoenix" Rousseau "Retreat" Alan Stivell "Terre Des Vivants" |
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Zombywoof
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 21:32 | |
There wasn't so many classics in the 80s and a few of the big groups had gone commercial, however Marillion, King Crimson, and Jethro Tull were still putting out quality work. Prog is at its best since the 70s now, though, in my humble opinion, since its no longer such a bad word anymore.
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irrelevant
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 22:35 | |
The 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s were pretty bad for prog.
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The Truth
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 22:46 | |
qft |
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martinprog77
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Posted: March 01 2012 at 01:10 | |
there where a couple of good albums in the 80s like
operation mindcrime gutter ballet permanent waves and moving pictures nude and every iron maiden album |
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Sagichim
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Posted: March 01 2012 at 02:22 | |
I can add DUN - EROS ,crazy amazing music.
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Rottenhat
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 12:58 | |
Yes, you nailed that one right.
And not to forget the stuff Art Zoyd made in the 80's. That probably has been mentioned in this thread already,
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 13:31 | |
I think a lot of the well established prog groups did horribly in the 80s, but that isn't to say that all things progressive in this decade were ape snot. On the contrary the avant scene was sprawling and vibrant - and a lot of ex-communistic countries saw a huge surge of people finally getting their hands on records from the preceding decade - starting to make their own stuff - totally bereft of that plastic metallic sound most of the giants had now adopted.
The MAINSTREAM scene progwise was bad though. I will agree to that, but like all eras of music - once you scratch the surface, a whole new world emerges - especially if you are not afraid of venturing out beyond the confines of English speaking countries. It is pretty damn easy now with the internet and all too. |
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sleeper
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 13:41 | |
More necrophilia.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Sagichim
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 13:47 | |
Just remembered another 80's goodie!!
HOWEVER Amazing, high standard, eclectic prog outfit which not a lot of people are familiar with. Worth looking for! |
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dennismoore
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 14:59 | |
Cindy Lauper & The Stray Cats
Did somebody say RUSH??? WTF???
1980's was a decade of transition in studio recording. Drum machines and sequencing, in the most redundant and simple mechanical patterns were basically mandated. I am not sure it was technically possible to make a good album in that decade.
U2 ruled the 1980's. What else can be said? The Musical Dark Ages for sure.
Then....
Hail 1990!. Hail Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom! The Renaissance of modern recording.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 15:12 | |
Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite was released in '89.
I think the 00's are the best era...but that's probably because I'm more into Progressive Metal, and there has been a TON of it in the 00's. |
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Logan
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 15:45 | |
Lots of RIO/Avant, and related (for instance, Zeuhl ones and some in Eclectic) bands made their best album in the 80s. Univers Zero was great throughout the 80s, and I don't think UZ has released any poor albums even though I like some more than others, but for me UZ's best one was the 1977 debut. Present, I think, which released its first album in 1980 but continues strong, released two really great ones in 1980 and 1985. Included in Zeuhl, Shub-Niggurath's slf-titled and le Morts vont Vite from 1986 are terrific. I revived this long-dead thread about a year ago mentioning Art Zoyd, which I think was terrific in the 80s, as well as in the late 70s, and I love later albums -- especially Haxan and Faust from the 90s. Generation Sans Futur which was released in 1980 I have proclaimed before as my favourite album by any band in PA, and Art Zoyd is about my favourite band with lots of releases I love. Les Espaces Inquiets from 1983 is another particular favourite of mine by Art Zoyd, but I love the band throughout that decade. Hell, I even mostly love the much reviled Magma album from the 80s. And the Samla/Zamla/Von Zamla conglomerate relased my favourite album of thos in 1980 with Zamla Mammaz Manna's Familjesprickor (though some don't consider 1980 to be the start of the 80s, but not me). And then there's plenty of great Progressive Electronic albums from the 80s. Incidentally, one of my favourite 80s bands is After Dinner from Japan. I really can't think of a bad decade when it comes to music, and that goes for eras of prog, especially if one considers a wider umbrella, too. For me the 80s is really strong since there are so many PA-category worthy albums from that decade that I frequently return to, and have for years. I don't meant to sound pedantic and silly, t but I actually don't really think of the 80s as an era per se when it comes to prog even though one talks about 80s music. It's an extension of the late 70s which is an extension of the mid-70s etc. mnay of my favourite 80s albums came from bands and artists who were already active and making similar music in the late 70s. One can debate if it's the worst decade overall, for me no, but it's not a really defined era for me. Lots of fashions that prospered in the 80s, and fashions changed during that decade.... But I'll stop there before I ramble even more. |
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MattGuitat
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 15:46 | |
Script, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures are some of my favorite albums ever. So I guess the 80's were alright. Sadly, Rush went downhill, and Marillion has never matched Script. Though, I was born in the 90's, so I'd have no idea what it must have been like when all the prog bands just stopped.
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zumacraig
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 17:21 | |
it's interesting. the early 80s (80-83) were very good and eclectic. all the big prog bands made good albums. production went to sh*t by 1985.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:38 | |
After I attempted to list the top 1000 albums I found that the 80s were the most sparse as far as reviews and as far as masterpiece albums - there is no doubt the 80s had some brilliant albums but simply did not measure up to the other decades following the 70s - the golden era of prog.
Heres the list of 80s albums you must hear before you die... as far as ratings and notoriety are concerned: Some of these are only listed due to one or two excellent songs but nevertheless heres the list which is way less than any of the albums from the 70s or 90s or beyond. 1980 471 472 Memento Z Banalnym Tryptykiem 473 Peter Gabriel (3 - "Melt") 474 475 Familjesprickor (Family Cracks) 476 477 478 Commercial Album 479 480 481 The Turn Of A Friendly Card 482 - live Harmonium En Tournée 483 - live 484 - live 1981 485 486 487 Alturas de Macchu Picchu 488 Mystical Adventures 489 Between Flesh and Divine 490 491 492 493 Computer World (Computerwelt) 494 495 496 – live 497 – live 1982 498 499 500 Peter Gabriel (4 - "Security" or "Mask") 501 502 503 Fact And Fiction 504 505 Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch 506 The Broadsword And The Beast 507 Eye In The Sky 1983 508 509 Script For A Jester's Tear 510 511 512 513 514 – live 515 – live Logos... Live At The Dominion - London 1984 516 517 Marsbéli Krónikák (Martian Chronicles) 518 519 Obras De Violeta Parra 520 521 522 523 – live 1985 524 525 Le Poison Qui Rend Fou 526 Metal Fatigue 527 528 Energetic Disassembly 529 Brother Where You Bound 530 531 The Chronicle of the Black Sword 532 The Spectre Within 1986 533 Awaken The Guardian 534 535 Les Morts Vont Vite 536 537 538 - live Pergamon - Live at the 'Palast der Republik'
GDR 539 – live Does Humor Belong In Music? 540 – live 1987 541 542 Secrets of The Beehive 543 544 Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun 545 Hall of the Mountain King 1988 546 A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window 547 Operation: Mindcrime 548 549 550 551 552 – live You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2 553 - live The Thieving Magpie - La Gazza Ladra 1989 554 555 Perfect Symmetry 556 557 558 Control and Resistance 559 560 |
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Horizons
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:42 | |
Yea - as a big Rush fan, Signals and Permanent Waves really invalidate this claim.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:50 | |
Definitely - and Moving Pictures for Rush!. Its still a fact that the 80s was the toughest time for most prog bands. Some bowed out altogether and some just became commercial pop <cough>Genesis<cough>. Then Marillion came along and kept the dream alive by reinventing prog with Neo. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 02 2012 at 21:30 | |
Prog as such was not a force in the mainstream but perhaps that is also on account of rather inflexible notions of prog (without meaning to fuel the prog v/s progressive debate again)? Seriously, the 80s had Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Swans, Police. The 80s was surely the most important and defining decade for metal. On the jazzy side, Alan Holdsworth and Donald Fagen unleashed their solo careers. I believe Metheny had a very fruitful 80s too, though I am not familiar with his 80s albums. I wonder what it is that makes people focus on the Madonnas and Spandau Ballets of the 80s but not the Eagles and Olivia Newton Johns of the 70s or the Celine Dions of the 90s or the Shakiras of the noughties, etc. But the notion of 80s being a wholesale abomination has taken root so firmly now that it seems to be unshakable. Pity, because there were many wonderful artists who released great albums in that decade as well. Edited by rogerthat - March 02 2012 at 21:34 |
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