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    Posted: January 24 2010 at 04:53
So, I've been dipping a toe into the world of post-punk every now and again for a while now, but I seem to be doing it slightly wrong. Whilst I love all the weirder, fringey post-punk acts like Tuxedomoon, Stump and The Diagram Brothers, I just can't get my head round 'classic' genre-defining acts like The Fall.

Can anyone here recommend me a handful of essential post-punk albums so I can at least get a handle on what this highly creative movement was all about?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 05:06
A couple of bands which come to mind are The Violent Femmes and The Talking Heads.  For the first band, their s/t debut is a must-have.  For the Talking Heads, I would get any one of their first four...but Fear of Music and Remain In Light are their masterpieces. 
 
Oh and The Smiths are also worth checking out. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 06:14
one band KILLING JOKE !!!!!! they are the chiefs of post-punk and the Police also have som post punk but they are more cathy and ska reggea influenced
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 07:29
Post- Punk eh?  I doubt if it's because you're doing it wrong.  I'm not sure there is a right way to do PP.  Who can define it firstly cos I don't know.  And when did PP start?  Was 'The Scream' by Siouxsie and the Banshees Punk or PP? I would listen to it anyway cos it's brilliant and make up your own mind?  It's also an incredibly diverse 'genre'.  Someone mentioned Talking Heads and Violent Femmes in the same breath now I always thought TH were PP but never thought of the VF, but having a quick look at Wiki there they are!! (I know wiki know nothing).
 
So TH - Fear of Music and VF Violent Femmes both great albums - miles apart mind you!
 
So bearing in mind they are all completely different and nothing like Stump (The only one of your three I have listened to)
 
Wire - Chairs Missing
Joy Division - (Take your pick)
Devo - Are we not men?
The Fall (Yes I know) - Live at the Witches  Trials
Human League - Travelogue
Magazine - Real Life
PIL - Metal Box
XTC - Drums and Wires
Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca
Psychedelic Furs
Gang of Four - Entertainment!
 
And so on......
 
A start anyway,not a list for all prog lovers and I'm sure there are many more that you would like who sound like Stump (The Box (Not the one here) sound ish to me). 
 
 
Julian Cope stream of obscure and less obscure post punk sampler.  He doesn't half go on though!
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 07:38
If you like Tuxedo Moon, check out Durutti Column!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 08:13
I would second the suggestions of Talking Heads (Remain in Light is a masterpiece, one of those must-hear albums), as well as Siouxsie and the Banshees. The Scream is quite raw, still very much in the punk mould, while the following albums are definitely more polished (and I mean this in a good way). My personal favourite would be Juju, followed by A Kiss in the Dreamhouse. I also believe The Cure would qualify as post-punk, especially their first two albums, Three Imaginary Boys and Seventeen Seconds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 08:42
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 08:50
Thanks for all the recommendations! Lots of these albums are available on Spotify, it seems, so I'll check 'em all out in due course.

I'm listening to that Fall album right now, and I think it might be working for me. I've only ever heard The Fall in isolated bursts before - a radio play here, a youtube video there - and I found them jarring. Listening to a bunch of songs in context makes a lot more sense to my ears, it seems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 09:00
Delta 5-  Singles and Sessions 1979-1981
Tubeway Army - Tubeway Army

Most of the other good stuff stuff has been said already.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 09:13
Killing Joke - s/t album from 1980. and Night Time (this is my favourite dark and gloomy atmosphere, Kings and Queens is a wonderfull song
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 13:56
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Post- Punk eh?  I doubt if it's because you're doing it wrong.  I'm not sure there is a right way to do PP.  Who can define it firstly cos I don't know.  And when did PP start?  Was 'The Scream' by Siouxsie and the Banshees Punk or PP? I would listen to it anyway cos it's brilliant and make up your own mind?  It's also an incredibly diverse 'genre'.  Someone mentioned Talking Heads and Violent Femmes in the same breath now I always thought TH were PP but never thought of the VF, but having a quick look at Wiki there they are!! (I know wiki know nothing).
 
So TH - Fear of Music and VF Violent Femmes both great albums - miles apart mind you!
 
So bearing in mind they are all completely different and nothing like Stump (The only one of your three I have listened to)
 
Wire - Chairs Missing
Joy Division - (Take your pick)
Devo - Are we not men?
The Fall (Yes I know) - Live at the Witches  Trials
Human League - Travelogue
Magazine - Real Life
PIL - Metal Box
XTC - Drums and Wires
Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca
Psychedelic Furs
Gang of Four - Entertainment!
 
And so on......
 
A start anyway,not a list for all prog lovers and I'm sure there are many more that you would like who sound like Stump (The Box (Not the one here) sound ish to me). 
 
 
Julian Cope stream of obscure and less obscure post punk sampler.  He doesn't half go on though!
 
 
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Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:18
Some of my favourites:

Echo & The Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here
The Birthday Party - Junkyard
Joy Division - Closer
Siouxsie & The Banshees - Juju
The Smiths - Meat Is Murder
Public Image Ltd. - The Flowers of Romance
Crime and the City Solution - The Adversary: Live
Marc Seberg - 83
Josef K - Entomology
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:36
^ akahouseofcheese's recommendations are top-notch Clap 
 
I would classify The Scream as being on the cusp between Punk and Post-Punk and would rate Switch as being one of the first post-punk songs.
 
I'd pick Reproduction over Travelogue for the Human League, or perhaps even The Golden Hour Of The Future, but that may be too "out there" for some but it does give a good account of their more experimental origins.
 
Anyway,  minor picking.
 
I'll add a few of my own personal, (but perhaps less well known), faves:
 
Passage - Pindrop
The Sound - Jeopardy
The Pop Group - For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate This Mass Murder?
The Comsat Angels - Waiting For A Miracle
Random Hold - Etceteraville 
 
Somewhat later: Danielle Dax - Pop Eyes
 
...and I'd probably throw in Bauhaus - Mask for good measure.
 
 
...I can't recommend a Fall album because I don't really like them much on album, though I do really enjoy seeing them live.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Some of my favourites:

Crime and the City Solution - The Adversary: Live

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:43
Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Magazine - Real Life
 
 
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Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too. 
 
Thanks!  I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! Shocked  I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too! 
 
Agree about Pink Flag too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:49
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ akahouseofcheese's recommendations are top-notch Clap 
 
I would classify The Scream as being on the cusp between Punk and Post-Punk and would rate Switch as being one of the first post-punk songs.
 
I'd pick Reproduction over Travelogue for the Human League, or perhaps even The Golden Hour Of The Future, but that may be too "out there" for some but it does give a good account of their more experimental origins.
 
Anyway,  minor picking.
 
I'll add a few of my own personal, (but perhaps less well known), faves:
 
Passage - Pindrop
The Sound - Jeopardy
The Pop Group - For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate This Mass Murder?
The Comsat Angels - Waiting For A Miracle
Random Hold - Etceteraville 
 
Somewhat later: Danielle Dax - Pop Eyes
 
...and I'd probably throw in Bauhaus - Mask for good measure.
 
 
...I can't recommend a Fall album because I don't really like them much on album, though I do really enjoy seeing them live.
 
Gosh praise indeed!  Big smile I will check out your suggestions I don't know. 
 
Prefer In the Flat Field but luckily we are all different. 
 
The Fall was one of the best bands I have ever seen live too.  Very tight.
 
I also have a bit of a thing for Wall of Voodoo  'Call of the West.'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:55
I forgot to mention another favourite band of mine, though they might be a bit too 'mainstream' rock'n'roll for some: The Pretenders. Their first two albums had definitely a punk edge, though with a sophistication (as in the reggae-tinged "Private Life") that straightforward punk did not possess. And Chrissie Hynde is one of my favourite female vocalists of all time (like Siouxsie).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:57
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Magazine - Real Life
 
 
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Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too. 
 
Thanks!  I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! Shocked  I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too! 
 
Agree about Pink Flag too!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:06
Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Magazine - Real Life
 
 
Clap
 
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too. 
 
Thanks!  I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! Shocked  I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too! 
 
Agree about Pink Flag too!
 
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You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejectedCry), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
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