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lazland
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Topic: UK General Election Posted: April 18 2017 at 04:13 |
Theresa May has called a general election for 8 June, subject to parliament ratifying this, which they have to by two thirds majority under Fixed Term Parliament Act introduced by the coalition government. Let the British politicking commence here
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M27Barney
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Posted: April 18 2017 at 05:26 |
I voted for 'Bez' last time and will do again, because at least he was a local lad.
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AZF
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Posted: April 18 2017 at 06:54 |
Well it's all bullsh*t really. Did we sort out the election fraud investigations from the last time? No! Did May resign after mysteriously losing thousands of child abuse statements pointing the finger at MPs? What do you think!
Aren't elections just a chance to rubber stamp future War crimes absolve from their hostage electorate?
And Americans! So how is "Trump will be different. He'll put America first!" playing out for you?
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SteveG
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Posted: April 18 2017 at 07:06 |
Is this the poll to keep Trump out of the UK? Yea, said I.
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 18 2017 at 08:23 |
I predict a very low turn out due to election/referendum fatigue. That may actually play better for labour, but Corbyn will have to get some fire in his belly. He normally campaigns with all the zeal and passion of a clinically depressed sloth. People don't want a 'fairer society' they want a society with less foreingers in it! Sadly, that's where we are, and Corybn won't debate the issues the great unwashed seem preoccupied with.
The whole western world is swinging towards fascism and i think it may have to just run its course because most people are too stupid to realise when they're being shafted. The people will fight back when they're down to their last shirt buttons, food rations and no healthcare. Too late then of course.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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2dogs
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Posted: April 18 2017 at 23:35 |
I'll most likely vote but not being in a marginal constituency it won't actually count for anything  .
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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Greys0n
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 02:51 |
I am not actually care about this election
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Stool Man
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 06:58 |
Greys0n wrote:
I am not actually care about this election |
and this is you reviving a topic after more than a week to say that you don't care about it.
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 07:06 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: May 20 2017 at 01:05 |
Greys0n wrote:
I am not actually care about this election |
Are you Jeremy Corbyn?
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Davesax1965
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Posted: May 20 2017 at 03:03 |
I am not actually care about US election.
But that's besides the point. I'm also with SteveG, I voted to keep Trump out of the UK, too.
It seems that there is a reasonable chance of this backfiring on Teresa May. Which would be excellent, but the jury's out at the moment.
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: May 23 2017 at 14:40 |
In the light of the events last night in Manchester, campaigning has (rightly) been put on hold and (apparently) will not be conducted with the 'heat' (not light) that it had started to generate. Will it make much difference? i fear not and certainly not in my neck of the woods where the (rural) conservative vote vastly outweighs any other party. I do hope that Theresa May's expected 'landslide' does take a bashing, if at least to remind them that nothing is ever a done deal in politics.. and that we can mirror France's moderate stance in this time of pressure from the fascist Right.
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 16:13 |
Well...we shall see how things turn out but exit polls currently indicate the tories fall short of a majority After reading frantically to see what this may mean, I gather that 1: This would be very shocking. Third time the polls would have gotten in wrong. 2: no one (except UKIP which may end up with nothing and regardless doesn't have enough seats) is willing to work with the tories so it'd be gridlock. 3: Parties could rally around Labour, thrusting Corbyn into the PM which would be one helluva twist 4: Liberals, Sinn Fein maybe others may very well refuse to work with labour so it could indeed be total gridlock 5: Regardless, May is screwed and tories aren't looking so hot.
It seems to me people had a bit of a "jerk back to reality" after brexit after happened and many regretted it. Surely many urban voters were pissed off. Why did May even call this election???
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 16:29 |
Donald Trump is a blessing to the world...
... (except the US of course)
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 16:58 |
Blacksword wrote:
I predict a very low turn out due to election/referendum fatigue. That may actually play better for labour, but Corbyn will have to get some fire in his belly. He normally campaigns with all the zeal and passion of a clinically depressed sloth. People don't want a 'fairer society' they want a society with less foreingers in it! Sadly, that's where we are, and Corybn won't debate the issues the great unwashed seem preoccupied with.
The whole western world is swinging towards fascism and i think it may have to just run its course because most people are too stupid to realise when they're being shafted. The people will fight back when they're down to their last shirt buttons, food rations and no healthcare. Too late then of course. |
Every week I am reminded more and more that politics really is the same all over. Sounds like an eerily close to home picture. Indeed, I recall rogerthat and I discussed that elsewhere, the 1930s sure did feel like it was on repeat, but damn...things have gone even more this way than I expected.
Though I do maintain slivers of hope always, before immigrants and Muslims it was austerity, much like here before police shootings opened up the racial chasm and we turned to xenophobia, it was bailouts, too much $ in government, etc etc all that got swept under the rug a bit. Let's hope it can be resurrected. People are reactionary by nature and sadly...not prone to think first. Makes it hard for Sanders, Corbyn to get people to listen. I still hope people are starting to see the collective wake up call though. 1: that the neoliberal orthodoxy has kinda f**ked things up but 2: right wing populism is no way out, and is just gunna use and screw you. So keep the racism and fear to yourself and start thinking!
I know nothing of UK politics and results are early but I'm hearing there's a not insignificant swing to labour in one area. If these exit polls are right, it's gunna be one crazy time.
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lazland
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 22:37 |
I have gotten up an hour early to see the outcome. This hung parliament is a truly incredible result, given that Mother Theresa was about 20 points ahead in the polls at the start.
She is burnt toast, absolutely had it, and good riddance.
I said in the (ever so slightly) more popular Brexit referendum vote thread a little while back that politics is getting more interesting.
The country is more divided than ever, and the Cameron/Osbourne legacy to the UK is ever more political chaos. What a pair of (blue) tits.
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 23:06 |
Yup, results not all in yet but it seems the Tories will fall short, even if they ally with the DU's (?) May could fall just shy. Likewise, so would a Labour-SNP-SF-PC alliance. The liberals may be the key to a coalition, or gridlock. Least that's how I'm reading all this. For the moment they refuse to work with either. Seems silly...compromise must be better than gridlock, is there any hope that Corbyn calls for a 2nd referendum to get the liberals on board?
No surprise, UKIP has been wiped off the map, SNP taken quite a hit apparently to both labour and tories. Can anyone explain why? I thought they owned Scotland basically.
Do want to say, with all the similarities in US and UK politics I noticed another: I remember the shock, and horror, at Corbyn's success, but "it wont last" and "it will doom the party". I saw probably 20 articles over time how "he's toast" "this is the end of him". Yeah...how's that panned out? It reminds me very much of Sanders here, "it wont last" "oh well OK he'll die in Nevada. Oh well South Carolina. Oh well super tuesday. Hmmmm well he'll fizzle anyway it's over" and also how he would be an obvious loss for the Democrats. Again...how did that pan out? Just interesting the media/powers that be loathe these labor populists as much as the right wing anti EU ones, but it just isn't going away. As you say lazland, politics is becoming very divided everywhere. Another similarity.
Edited by JJLehto - June 08 2017 at 23:09
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AZF
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 23:22 |
That was the best Election I've ever voted or stayed up to watch! Not as triumphant as 1997. Not as depressing as 2015. Not as "Stop them! They are meddling with forces they don't understand! Stop them- Mmmphh..." as 2010. I saw Labour lead for hours until 4.30. Hung Parliament! Excellent! Knew I should have made a bet!
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 09 2017 at 00:31 |
JJLehto wrote:
Every week I am reminded more and more that politics really is the same all over. Sounds like an eerily close to home picture. Indeed, I recall rogerthat and I discussed that elsewhere, the 1930s sure did feel like it was on repeat, but damn...things have gone even more this way than I expected.
Though I do maintain slivers of hope always, before immigrants and Muslims it was austerity, much like here before police shootings opened up the racial chasm and we turned to xenophobia, it was bailouts, too much $ in government, etc etc all that got swept under the rug a bit. Let's hope it can be resurrected. People are reactionary by nature and sadly...not prone to think first. Makes it hard for Sanders, Corbyn to get people to listen. I still hope people are starting to see the collective wake up call though. 1: that the neoliberal orthodoxy has kinda f**ked things up but 2: right wing populism is no way out, and is just gunna use and screw you. So keep the racism and fear to yourself and start thinking!
I know nothing of UK politics and results are early but I'm hearing there's a not insignificant swing to labour in one area. If these exit polls are right, it's gunna be one crazy time. |
I think, based on this result as well as Macron's big win in France, that people are already beginning to baulk at the extreme right, which is a good thing. As Teo said, Trump may be scaring off people in other parts of the world from voting in right wing governments/leaders. And because the right is being forced to move to the centre again (Macron), it presents yet another opportunity to the ailing left to wake up. At least there, the Labour party did the right thing by persisting with Corbyn unlike, ahem, the Democrats. People don't want to listen to more and more platitudes from politicians who have promised the moon to deliver next to nothing. They want to see people who relate to their anger. And while I am skeptical of populists from either side, at least a leftist within a democratic set up is a better alternative to the right.
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 09 2017 at 02:48 |
rogerthat wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Every week I am reminded more and more that politics really is the same all over. Sounds like an eerily close to home picture. Indeed, I recall rogerthat and I discussed that elsewhere, the 1930s sure did feel like it was on repeat, but damn...things have gone even more this way than I expected.
Though I do maintain slivers of hope always, before immigrants and Muslims it was austerity, much like here before police shootings opened up the racial chasm and we turned to xenophobia, it was bailouts, too much $ in government, etc etc all that got swept under the rug a bit. Let's hope it can be resurrected. People are reactionary by nature and sadly...not prone to think first. Makes it hard for Sanders, Corbyn to get people to listen. I still hope people are starting to see the collective wake up call though. 1: that the neoliberal orthodoxy has kinda f**ked things up but 2: right wing populism is no way out, and is just gunna use and screw you. So keep the racism and fear to yourself and start thinking!
I know nothing of UK politics and results are early but I'm hearing there's a not insignificant swing to labour in one area. If these exit polls are right, it's gunna be one crazy time. |
I think, based on this result as well as Macron's big win in France, that people are already beginning to baulk at the extreme right, which is a good thing. As Teo said, Trump may be scaring off people in other parts of the world from voting in right wing governments/leaders. And because the right is being forced to move to the centre again (Macron), it presents yet another opportunity to the ailing left to wake up. At least there, the Labour party did the right thing by persisting with Corbyn unlike, ahem, the Democrats. People don't want to listen to more and more platitudes from politicians who have promised the moon to deliver next to nothing. They want to see people who relate to their anger. And while I am skeptical of populists from either side, at least a leftist within a democratic set up is a better alternative to the right. |
It seems that way. I won't be an arrogant American,  all credit to Europeans but surely there's been some Trump effect as well. Indeed, let's hope a leveling out is happening. I keep praying the US will reach a point of maximum rightward drift, maybe under Trump, and snap back to something more reasonable.
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