Tears for Fears, prog at least related?

Absolutely true.

not that I think they belong here... or care... or even know anything by them that wasn't on a movie soundtrack

but I have to ask... when we get sweeping statements like that....


just what is a .....  'progressive rock' band?

I'm quite sure it isn't bands who did only prog albums then retired to obscurity just so they could be know to all the progheads of the world as a ...yep.... progressive rock band. 

Silly me... I thought it is groups that explored and did progressive rock.. regardless of what they did before.. or later... otherwise.... we should retire  all the genre teams and just admit groups that are KNOWN prog groups hahahha.

They had some proggy moments their first two albums.  I Believe on Songs from the Big Chair was a tribute to Robert Wyatt, comes to mind. 

I lost interest in them after that but still have those two in my collection.  

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: william314159 wrote: who the hell cares, i love them   Some of us care, because we joined Prog Archives essentially because it's a Progressive Rock site, a lot of compromises has been done, but Tears for Fears are Romantic Post New Wave Synth Pop and nothing else.   I love the music of: The Who: They are here but I still believe they don't belong here. Fleetwood Mac: The most commercial Buckingham - Nicks era Meat Loaf Jackson Browne Ruben Blades Herman Hermits Cranberries Coldplay  The Mamas & the Papas Mountain OMD REM Early U2 But I wouldn't dare to make a case of addition, because despite some may consider us close minded, this a Progressive Rock site and only Progressive Rock bands or those who are DIRECTLY and CLEARLY related should be added. There are POP, Punk or New Wave sites that wouldn't include Yes or Genesis, simply because they don't belong there and bnobody of us will feel offended if King Crimsoin doesn't figure in the Punk 77 site (Well they are there to be insulted as an example of anti-music), if somebody needs to search in an open and general music site, there's always Allmusic, which is a good resource despite their usual inaccuracies.    My two cents.   Iv�n

Edited by Mandrakeroot - January 18 2008 at 13:03

clarke2001 wrote: Slightly off topic, but how are we locating the position for the prog borderline? Or prog-related? Shall we make a gradation from "prog enough" to "certainly not"? This is the "complexity lane": David Sylvian - Japan - Talk Talk - XTC - The Police - Yazoo - Eurythmics - U2 (all great bands) So, the borderline will be somewhere around XTC. This is the "collaboration with proggers" lane: The Police - David Sylvian - Talking Heads - XTC - Public Image Limited... Please note PiL are much more avant-garde, complex or unusual than some other band(s) with stronger prog ties... Many more lanes could be done: "a number of proggy songs/albums", "relevancy", how influential they were", "how influenced were they", "theatrical approach", "amount of fusioning with other genres", even the "stuff that might be appealing to a prog rock fan"! So start making charts, collabs! so we can all end a chapter in a "Prog Related" book, section "The Lost Decade".

interesting post Clarke... there are no positions on prog borderlines ... at least in my mind... or if I speak for Dean.. .I don't think he has such things as well.

Hate to make a trite reply to your post... but we (the Xover team that deals with the prog side of these additions) simply evaluate a group that comes to us based our our notions of prog. 

Which could be be charted out I guess if we took the time and were given a list of groups... but the trick is.. .every single person's chart will be different.

take Japan. .a sore subject since both of us agreed it was prog, along with others not formally on the team.  They were added.. and after some real bitching and complaining then moved to PR to ease the unsettled waters. (a mistake I will never make again. .since I have no doubts as those who bitched would ever do such a thing themselves).  Japan on your chart is worthy of full prog addition.. to others it is not.  That is something some people have never got through their heads here. This is a site made of all kinds of views of prog, and the site will reflect it.

my point in a long about way.. there is no position.. no borderline... we call them as we see them.. and until the admins decide we ain't calling them the right way and fire us we will continue to do so. Tacit approval being taken that after however long it has been.. that we have not been fired


Edited by micky - January 18 2008 at 15:20

Kotro wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: They had some proggy moments their first two albums.  I Believe on Songs from the Big Chair was a tribute to Robert Wyatt, comes to mind.  I lost interest in them after that but still have those two in my collection.     In my humble opinion, their last three albums are a lot closer to art-rock than their first works. Of course "being close" isn't the same as just "being".

Well I totally confess to not having heard anything since the first two.  Anywhere I can go to hear the last three without having to pay first?

I like Tears for Fears...