System of a Down

Post-Hardcore isn't punk-ish, it is punk. It's a sub genre of punk and also, hardcore.
Wait, I misread your post anyway, I thought you were saying Fall Of Troy was Post-Rock-ish. Damn it, woops.
Yeah, Fall Of Troy is pretty much progressive Mathcore/post Hardcore.
And yeah, Post Rock is (sorta) aesthetically linked to punk, but musically, the link is weaker, but you can sorta still hear punk in post rock, to varying degrees depending on the band I guess.
And yeah, the tangent was sorta cool I guess:)
But now, THREAD MUST BE LOCKED. Or something to that effect.

I like them but

unique within genre does not equal 'prog rock'
adding them would just cause an incessant uproar that more or less isn't worth it

I've conceded this one awhile ago. While there are certainly bands here with less progressiveness than SOAD here, I've now watched some other bands also get turned down and in the end I think the site probably needs to be more selective rather than less.

Well in the most polite way possible, I can name a good 50 non-prog metal bands out there whom are more progressive than System Of A Down (Antigama naming one). I wouldn't consider them for addition for a second. I see where you are coming from with the whole "SOAD is prog", but I think they are more experimental metal than prog metal and wouldn't really be a worthy addition IMO. Then again, I don't think even The Beatles, Metallica, Fall Of Troy, Battles and Maiden are worthy additions if I'm honest.

burritounit wrote: The Pessimist wrote: Well in the most polite way possible, I can name a good 50 non-prog metal bands out there whom are more progressive than System Of A Down (Antigama naming one). I wouldn't consider them for addition for a second. I see where you are coming from with the whole "SOAD is prog", but I think they are more experimental metal than prog metal and wouldn't really be a worthy addition IMO. Then again, I don't think even The Beatles, Metallica, Fall Of Troy, Battles and Maiden are worthy additions if I'm honest. Battles is Math Rock so I think that justifies their inclusion to PA and The Fall Of Troy is a post hardcore band with progressive rock elements, IMO.

Not to mention they were both approved by the Heavy Prog team (The Fall of Troy is still in HP, while Battles was moved to Math Rock).... Sometimes it would be nice to know why people object to our decisions - not that we are infallible, of course.

debrewguy wrote: Yeah, but SOAD has achieved commercial success and thus proven to those who don't much of their oeuvre that they are in no way prog. It's the eternal PA conundrum - if too many people know your name, but not your music, they still feel qualified to judge it as not being progressive.

Not sure what your trying to say... but I can assure that I'm very familiar with SOAD since I'm a huge fan and its not prog IMO.


Edited by burritounit - March 24 2009 at 21:15

The Pessimist wrote: Well in the most polite way possible, I can name a good 50 non-prog metal bands out there whom are more progressive than System Of A Down (Antigama naming one). I wouldn't consider them for addition for a second. I see where you are coming from with the whole "SOAD is prog", but I think they are more experimental metal than prog metal and wouldn't really be a worthy addition IMO. Then again, I don't think even The Beatles, Metallica, Fall Of Troy, Battles and Maiden are worthy additions if I'm honest.

Well, Battles does fit the experimental/math rock thing, so that's just easy anyway.
Beatles, I honestly couldn't care about and don't bother listening to. Hard to say for The Fall Of Troy, as much as I like that band.
We can also argue round and around about Metallica, but no one is calling them prog either, they're in prog related.
Dream Theater, to name just one band, derived quite a bit of their compositional flow from the way Metallica were writing, particularly some of the songs off MoP and AJFA. A few years ago, maybe I would have found the idea of Metallica being prog metal-ish to be absurd so in a way I can sympathise with you, but I sat there and listened to AJFA and Images and Words back to back, and it started to really click and how compositionally AJFA is not that far off from the Prog Metal of Images and Words.
Try it one time if you can, maybe you'll see what I mean.
Although, if hypothetically, Metallica had not yet been added to the archives with me now being a member of the PMT (I wasn't at the time of Metallica's addition to PR) and it was being put up for Progressive Metal, I would have objected, but prog related I can easily live with, because there is a huge distinction between the two.


Edited by HughesJB4 - March 25 2009 at 00:47