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Points: 3083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2005 at 15:30
Yea, it may not be enough, but I thought I'd throw their name out there. I checked out that Sanders song, it's pretty cool. If there is one thing I wish Nile did in their music, it would be adding some more thematic acoustic passages like that. Their music is just relentless most of the time.

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Points: 953 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 07:41
NILE?

Nile is PLAIN death metal.. Very technical.. and extreme.. NO PROG HERE

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Points: 9008 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 08:19
I really like Sonata Arctica's music and I don't know much of classification but I can't hear any progressive elements in their music. If there is an album in there discography that can be called progressive metal I would likely listen to it.
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Points: 21575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:15
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Silence.

... yah, ok i think ill give it up...hehe

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Points: 70 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:43

 

Insomnium

Genre:  Progressive Death (à la Opeth)

The bands official home site where you can find free downloads (MP3's and video's):

http://www.insomnium.net/download.htm

Candlelight Records (Label):

http://www.candlelightrecords.co.uk/candleweb/redesign/candl e_insomnium.htm
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Points: 9008 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:43
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Silence.
well the power of one sound kinda progressive so i'll listen to it this time while keeping in mind that this is progressive

i'll tell you how it works

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Points: 21575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:46
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Silence.
well the power of one sound kinda progressive so i'll listen to it this time while keeping in mind that this is progressive

i'll tell you how it works


I didn't say that I think that it's progressive enough to be included here though ...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Stratovarius are a good example of a band which I would not consider to be progressive. But they are widely known to be progressive, they are known as a "progressive metal" band. When we consider bands for the inclusion in the archives, we have to weigh all sorts of factors:

  • The music itself - and that includes the ENTIRE discography. It's common for people who are against the band to base their opinion on the least progressive tracks in their discography, and those who are convinced that they're prog will mention the most progressive tracks.
  • Personal preference
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  • How is the band considered on other major prog websites or in prog magazines
  • How do the band members themselves describe their music?
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Ok, so Stratovarius is a power metal band definitely.

They have no prog elements at all and they are primarily influenced by Helloween's "Keepers".

I don't even they consider themselves as prog. Someone can compare them with Gamma Ray or Sonata Arctica or Helloween, but not for example with Symphony X.

Anyway, here is my suggestion for a prog-related band that has to be added to progarchives:

Sorrowful Winds, from Greece. Web: www.sorrowfulwinds.gr

They have started as a classic metal band but moved into more prog-related paths since 1999.

I would describe their music as atmospheric-power-prog metal with epic elements. Confused?
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Points: 1217 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 11:57

sonata arctica, katatonia, amorphis, cult of luna and iced earth aint prog...

We want... a shrubbery!
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 12:03

Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Dan Swano, ya fools! It's like Rush playing prog death metal.

Amorphis - used to be doom, now is kinda like modern Katatonia with more prog influences.

Between the Buried and Me - could be called metalcore, but they are so much more than that. See the song Selkies: The Endless Obsession off their new album, Alaska.

Death - I think they're already pending, but hey.

Mastodon - Very good metalcore-ish band with some really great ideas. Bot htheir labums have some extremely prog moments.

That's all I got for now, I'm sure I'll think of more.

Oh! Nevermore! Their new album definitely is proggy, and they do enough to be on here.

I love Dan Swano,and if you will check the archives his solo album Moontower is listed here,Edge of Sanity is here,and Nightingale is in the archives.Also,one of his projects Karaboudjan are one of the bands we are voting on right now.


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Points: 42 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 12:16
I'm surprised that the band Theory in Practice hasn't been added.
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Ok, so Stratovarius is a power metal band definitely.

They have no prog elements at all...

I beg to differ.  Obviously, you haven't listened to the following tracks:  "Destiny" (10m16s), "Visions Southern Cross" (10m20s), "Infinity" (9m21s), "Fantasia" (9m56s), "Papillon" (7m01s), "Elements" (12m01s)...

Having said that, they would definitely fall under prog related as only one or two songs per album are progressively influenced...with the exception of the album Elements Part 1 which is very progressive in nature. 
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Points: 21575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 12:54
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Stratovarius are a good example of a band which I would not consider to be progressive. But they are widely known to be progressive, they are known as a "progressive metal" band. When we consider bands for the inclusion in the archives, we have to weigh all sorts of factors:

  • The music itself - and that includes the ENTIRE discography. It's common for people who are against the band to base their opinion on the least progressive tracks in their discography, and those who are convinced that they're prog will mention the most progressive tracks.
  • Personal preference
  • History
  • How is the band considered on other major prog websites or in prog magazines
  • How do the band members themselves describe their music?
  • ...

 

Ok, so Stratovarius is a power metal band definitely.

They have no prog elements at all and they are primarily influenced by Helloween's "Keepers".

I don't even they consider themselves as prog. Someone can compare them with Gamma Ray or Sonata Arctica or Helloween, but not for example with Symphony X.

Anyway, here is my suggestion for a prog-related band that has to be added to progarchives:

Sorrowful Winds, from Greece. Web: www.sorrowfulwinds.gr

They have started as a classic metal band but moved into more prog-related paths since 1999.

I would describe their music as atmospheric-power-prog metal with epic elements. Confused?


I think that for Stratovarius the decision has already been made - all major prog (metal) sites say that they're progressive.

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Stratovarius are a good example of a band which I would not consider to be progressive. But they are widely known to be progressive, they are known as a "progressive metal" band. When we consider bands for the inclusion in the archives, we have to weigh all sorts of factors:

  • The music itself - and that includes the ENTIRE discography. It's common for people who are against the band to base their opinion on the least progressive tracks in their discography, and those who are convinced that they're prog will mention the most progressive tracks.
  • Personal preference
  • History
  • How is the band considered on other major prog websites or in prog magazines
  • How do the band members themselves describe their music?
  • ...

 

Ok, so Stratovarius is a power metal band definitely.

They have no prog elements at all and they are primarily influenced by Helloween's "Keepers".

I don't even they consider themselves as prog. Someone can compare them with Gamma Ray or Sonata Arctica or Helloween, but not for example with Symphony X.

Anyway, here is my suggestion for a prog-related band that has to be added to progarchives:

Sorrowful Winds, from Greece. Web: www.sorrowfulwinds.gr

They have started as a classic metal band but moved into more prog-related paths since 1999.

I would describe their music as atmospheric-power-prog metal with epic elements. Confused?


I think that for Stratovarius the decision has already been made - all major prog (metal) sites say that they're progressive.


Then all major prog (metal) sites are wrong... (Sorry, couldn't resist)
 
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Points: 21575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 13:08

Originally posted by WiguJimbo WiguJimbo wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I think that for Stratovarius the decision has already been made - all major prog (metal) sites say that they're progressive.

Then all major prog (metal) sites are wrong... (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Of course you can see it that way ... but we would be inconsistent if we made an exception for Stratovarius, when bands like Kamelot and Nightwish are in the archives. Add to that that M@x wants his archives to be INCLUSIVE. 
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Symphonic Prog Metal
Sirenia - www.sirenia.no
Tristania - www.tristania.com

Extreme Prog Metal (Progressive Black) with a lot of folk elements
Empyrium - www.empyrium.de
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Points: 42 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 14:16
Yet I'm still surprised Theory In Practice still ain't in the archive.
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 14:22
Originally posted by WiguJimbo WiguJimbo wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Stratovarius are a good example of a band which I would not consider to be progressive. But they are widely known to be progressive, they are known as a "progressive metal" band. When we consider bands for the inclusion in the archives, we have to weigh all sorts of factors:

  • The music itself - and that includes the ENTIRE discography. It's common for people who are against the band to base their opinion on the least progressive tracks in their discography, and those who are convinced that they're prog will mention the most progressive tracks.
  • Personal preference
  • History
  • How is the band considered on other major prog websites or in prog magazines
  • How do the band members themselves describe their music?
  • ...

 

Ok, so Stratovarius is a power metal band definitely.

They have no prog elements at all and they are primarily influenced by Helloween's "Keepers".

I don't even they consider themselves as prog. Someone can compare them with Gamma Ray or Sonata Arctica or Helloween, but not for example with Symphony X.

Anyway, here is my suggestion for a prog-related band that has to be added to progarchives:

Sorrowful Winds, from Greece. Web: www.sorrowfulwinds.gr

They have started as a classic metal band but moved into more prog-related paths since 1999.

I would describe their music as atmospheric-power-prog metal with epic elements. Confused?


I think that for Stratovarius the decision has already been made - all major prog (metal) sites say that they're progressive.


Then all major prog (metal) sites are wrong... (Sorry, couldn't resist)
 
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Points: 9008 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 20:59
well the album silence is kinda progressive-ish but im no quite sure if it could be in this site. we have bands that aren't really progressive  like kamelot (witch i like) in this site, so, do we really need bands like Iron Maiden or Sonata Arctica to be in this site just because they are more "progressive" than kamelot or nightwish or becuase they have some prog-ish sounds here and there? some people put these things like excuses to add bands.
 Maybe there are bands that should be in this site, but please, be very careful and picky about adding bands to the site.

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