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Cygnus X-2 
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:05 |
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I'm actually curious as to what the first side long prog epic was. Does anybody know?
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:06 |
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IN a gadda da vida ?????????????????????
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:08 |
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^If you consider Iron Butterfly prog...
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:11 |
How about "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" by The Nice? Or is that Proto Prog?
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:20 |
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Iron Butterfly is not prog, but "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" is.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:21 |
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I think it could have been either T2's 'Morning' from their brilliant 'It'll All Work Out In Boomland', High Tide's 'Sanoneymous' from their eponymous album, or The Nice's 'Five Bridges'.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:29 |
 salmacis wrote:
I think it could have been either T2's 'Morning' from their brilliant 'It'll All Work Out In Boomland', High Tide's 'Sanoneymous' from their eponymous album, or The Nice's 'Five Bridges'. |
My choice pre dates Five Bridges.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:33 |
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^ What year were these songs? The only early side-long tracks
that I know that are for sure prog are Tarkus and Atom Heart
Mother (1971).
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Your hands and feet are mangos, you're gonna be a genius anyway
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:41 |
You're probably right about 'Ars Longa...' actually, and The Nice were definitely prog rock to these ears- proto prog to me means bands like Traffic, who laid the foundations of the genre but couldn't be called 100% prog. The Nice have all the hallmarks of most prog bands, though ELP were MUCH better, in my opinion....
All of those other tracks I mentioned are from 1970.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 16:46 |
Snow Dog wrote:
salmacis wrote:
I think it could have been either
T2's 'Morning' from their brilliant 'It'll All Work Out In Boomland',
High Tide's 'Sanoneymous' from their eponymous album, or The Nice's
'Five Bridges'. |
My choice pre dates Five Bridges. |
'Sanoneymous' is rather short for a one-sided track though with a length of 14:30. The whole album is barely 33 minutes long.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 17:01 |
Green and Funky wrote:
^ What year were these songs? The only early side-long tracks
that I know that are for sure prog are Tarkus and Atom Heart
Mother (1971). |
Ars Longa Vita Brevis was 1968 I think
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 17:07 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Green and Funky wrote:
^ What year were these songs? The only early side-long tracks
that I know that are for sure prog are Tarkus and Atom Heart
Mother (1971). |
Ars Longa Vita Brevis was 1968 I think
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You ain't tellin' no lies  ! It was 1968, just as that other multimovement suite - In Held Twas In I, by Procol Harum. Both proto-prog in a way, but it's prog enough for me! So which one was first?
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:00 |
hmmm.....
Procol Harum's "in Held Twas I" was 1968, I believe that's the first real prog side long epic
The Nice's 1968-1969 "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" and "Five Bridges" are both able candidates, but are now split into seperate tracks on CD
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:11 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
hmmm.....
Procol Harum's "in Held Twas I" was 1968, I believe that's the first real prog side long epic
The Nice's 1968-1969 "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" and "Five Bridges" are both able candidates, but are now split into seperate tracks on CD
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Does that matter, so is Tarkus and many others!
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:13 |
Snow Dog wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
hmmm.....
Procol Harum's "in Held Twas I" was 1968, I believe that's the first real prog side long epic
The Nice's 1968-1969 "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" and "Five Bridges" are both able candidates, but are now split into seperate tracks on CD
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Does that matter, so is Tarkus and many others!
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Where is Tarkus multiple tracks on a cd? On all the cd's I have with Tarkus on it, Tarkus is always one track.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:18 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
hmmm.....
Procol Harum's "in Held Twas I" was 1968, I believe that's the first real prog side long epic
The Nice's 1968-1969 "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" and "Five Bridges" are both able candidates, but are now split into seperate tracks on CD
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Does that matter, so is Tarkus and many others!
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Where is Tarkus multiple tracks on a cd? On all the cd's I have with Tarkus on it, Tarkus is always one track.
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On the original album they are seperated, you can see by looking at the grooves. On Cd it depends on who issued it, I think thatthe Sanctuary version is the one that has it as one track.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:19 |
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It matters if the record company puts pauses between the "tracks". Example for that is the first CD-edition of "Please Don't Touch" by Steve Hackett. The songs all merge into each other, yet for some reason the record company that produced the first CD-version of "Please Don't Touch" was of the opinion there should be a few seconds silence between the tracks. which made the album unlistenable to in the CD-version.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:20 |
According to my CD's liner notes, Iron Butterfly's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" was released in the USA in June, 1968. Procol Harum's Shine On Brightly (which contained "In Held Twas In I") was released in the UK in December, 1968. Anyone know when the first release of "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" was? I know it was in late 1968 in the UK. First USA release was in February of 1969. Anyway, It looks like "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" wins, unless I'm overlooking any epics that predate it.
btw, I agree with the reviewer above who says that Iron Butterfly are not prog, but "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" definitely is.
Another close contender by a non-prog band was "Get Ready" by Rare Earth in 1969.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:21 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
hmmm.....
Procol Harum's "in Held Twas I" was 1968, I believe that's the first real prog side long epic
The Nice's 1968-1969 "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" and "Five Bridges" are both able candidates, but are now split into seperate tracks on CD
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Does that matter, so is Tarkus and many others!
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Where is Tarkus multiple tracks on a cd? On all the cd's I have with Tarkus on it, Tarkus is always one track.
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On the original album they are seperated, you can see by looking at the grooves. On Cd it depends on who issued it, I think thatthe Sanctuary version is the one that has it as one track.
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I own the Rhino reissue (and I own an older copy, I don't why I bought it again), and they both are one track.
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:23 |
Walker wrote:
According to my CD, Procol Harum's Shine On Brightly (which contained "In Held Twas In I") was released in December of 1968. Anyone know when the first release of "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" was? Statisticly, it should come from earlier in '68, but I don't know for sure that it did.
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Yeah, I think it's that one.
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