First Side Long Prog Epic?

This thread has people saying Zappa's Freak Out ISN'T prog while IN-a-Godda-Da-Vida is?

There's no hope for this genre.... 

gabbel ratchett wrote: Even if you count Iron Butterfly as prog, The Mothers/Zappa "Freak Out" still has them beat by several years.

But its only 12 minutes!

There's something strange about The Return of the Son of Monster Magnet.

Sometimes I love the track and another times I hate it, am I UNDEFINIED? Or am I crazy?

I love the Suzy's Creamcheese's speech and the freak screams and the drums throughout the piece. Am I bizarre? But that's only Frank Zappa.

By the way, that "song" it's not epic, but it's prog and it's a side long.

gabbel ratchett wrote: But it still took up a full side of the LP when it was released. This thread had no mention of a time duration when it was posted. Most US pop albums from the 1960's barely had more than 18 minutes of material per side on them.

I don't care, its a cop out. Sounds like he had 3 sides of material and bunged it on the last side. OK you count it as the first, I don't! We differ in opinion and thats fine!

In a Gadda da Vida Prog'? I always believed it was the clearest example of pure psychedelia, not even proto prog'.

But it's a good song.

Iván

ivan_2068 wrote: In a Gadda da Vida Prog'? I always believed it was the clearest example of pure psychedelia, not even proto prog'. But it's a good song. Iván

Psychedelic music is one kind of proto prog, IMO. "In a Gadda da Vida" may not be as free as the early krautrock, but I think it is an important step towards prog. And I like that music (grew up with it, in fact. My parents were 18 when I was born in Dec 1968 in San Francisco. Do I need to say more? Bead curtains, incense sticks, love-ins, sweet smoke - I saw it all. My parents hid nothing from me).

The 1967 movie "The Trip", starring Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper, has one scene towards the end in which a band plays some really wild psychedelic music. I love that part of it.

And, speaking of psychedelic music, the movie version of "Twin Peaks" has a long scene in which some band plays what I would call "space blues". Really trippy music. Does anyone know who plays it?

Logos wrote: Snow Dog wrote: OK you count it as the first, I don't! We differ in opinion and thats fine! It is a fact that it took a whole side on the original vinyl, everyone knows it's true, and yet you say it's doesn't take a whole side. You must be a bit dumb.

And you're obviously an arsehole!

Drachen Theaker wrote: Ars Longa Vita Brevis was released in November 1968 in the UK, and came out before Procol Harum's Shine on Brightly (December 1968) - so the Nice wins by a short head. Even though I like it, I don't think In a Gadda Da Vida is prog - it just sounds like a long psychedelic song to me with no prog-like structure. Re Zappa's Freak Out - it is prog but 12 minutes doesn't count as a proper 'side' in my (nitpickingly British) view.

It seems the Nice wins (slightly)

good for them a brilliant band

and Zappa's Monster Magnet is not a side long

Snow Dog wrote: NetsNJFan wrote: Drachen Theaker wrote: Ars Longa Vita Brevis was released in November 1968 in the UK, and came out before Procol Harum's Shine on Brightly (December 1968) - so the Nice wins by a short head. Even though I like it, I don't think In a Gadda Da Vida is prog - it just sounds like a long psychedelic song to me with no prog-like structure. Re Zappa's Freak Out - it is prog but 12 minutes doesn't count as a proper 'side' in my (nitpickingly British) view.   It seems the Nice wins (slightly) good for them a brilliant band and Zappa's Monster Magnet is not a side long Thanks Nets and any others that can see sense! And thanks Drachen Theaker for the release dates! Now wheres that idiot Cygnus X-2 who started this thread! Hey we got an answer buddy!

No problem guys. It warms the cockles of my heart. We may have lost an empire, we may get bombed by terrorists but we CAN legitimately lay claim to 'history's first truly side long prog rock concept track'