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    Posted: July 26 2007 at 20:56
I recently acquired the "Terra In Bocca" CD and enjoy it quite a bit. I also learned that the version I have is considered possibly a "demo" version and is not the original release Cry !! It's 44 min long not 46! What I want to know is, "Is there any significant difference in these 2 versions, either musically or sound quality-wise?" The one I have definitely sounds better than any demos from that era that I have heard. Should I be tracking down the longer version? Thanks!
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:07
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

I recently acquired the "Terra In Bocca" CD and enjoy it quite a bit. I also learned that the version I have is considered possibly a "demo" version and is not the original release Cry !! It's 44 min long not 46! What I want to know is, "Is there any significant difference in these 2 versions, either musically or sound quality-wise?" The one I have definitely sounds better than any demos from that era that I have heard. Should I be tracking down the longer version? Thanks!
 
 


looking into that..... I LOVE that album...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:09
hey Walker.. post if you can the specs of the album you have (label... year of issue and all that)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:09
^ cool!, thanks!
 
Put out by Vinyl Magic 2000 Records
Cat #VM CD 013
year 2000
 
Prima Parte is 18:20
Seconda Parte is 25:48
 
Looks like it was sold by www.btf.it originally
 
The disc itself is yellow and orange.
 
What else would you like to know?
 
EDIT: it also says "licensed by Peer-Southern Productions"
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:21
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

^ cool!, thanks!
 
Put out by Vinyl Magic 2000 Records
Cat #VM CD 013
year 2000
 
Prima Parte is 18:20
Seconda Parte is 25:48
 
Looks like it was sold by www.btf.it originally
 
The disc itself is yellow and orange.
 
What else would you like to know?
 
 


excellent...  next question.... where did you get the info that there is a longer version out there.


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Terra in bocca (poesia di un delitto) Vinyl Magic (VM 013) 1989 reissue of 1971 album but in a totally different version - includes mini poster
  Vinyl Magic (VM 013)
1993 as above - exact reissue of 1971 album


sorry about the crappy cut and paste job there.  Appears to be an exact reissue of the original Lp.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:31
I got the info right here in the Archives... go to the album page and you will see.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:35
Let me add, that based on everything I have seen and heard, the CD I have *should* be an exact replica of the original album, exzcept for the fact that its only 44 minutes long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:35
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

I got the info right here in the Archives... go to the album page and you will see.


sh*t....  serves me right for not reading our own site hahhaha.. 

looking now...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:44
fascinating....

Recently "Terra in bocca" has been reissued by Akarma on vinyl, and this reissue also includes a song from their last single. You can find two different re-released versions on Vinyl Magic CD of Terra in bocca: the first one was released in 1989 and it is curiously different from the original LP (total length is 44:11 minutes), probably coming from a demo tape. This first reissue also includes a miniature reproduction of the original poster. A second version was released in 1993 (almost identical to the first in the CD cover, 46:44 minutes length, and probably taken from the original masters). This one doesn't include the mini-poster.

checked my copy of it....I have the same as you.  Rest assured we'll get to the bottom of this.  If there is a better...and longer version... damnit... I want it hahhahah.  Funny thing is...  we have the latest CD version of it. 

so why would the 2000 version go back to version issued in 89 as opposed to the version in 93.

Thanks Walker...   bringing this to Andrea's attention and we'll see what he has to say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:51
I see where the info came from.....www.italianprog.com
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:53
Thanks. It will be interesting to see what he has to say. If it was wasn't for the disc length, I'd be sure I had the original version. Did you notice the timings on the album page? Each part is 23min unlike the version we have. I suspect that the timings are wong and maybe the demo version is acually 46min and the album is 44min. That would explain all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:03
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

Thanks. It will be interesting to see what he has to say. If it was wasn't for the disc length, I'd be sure I had the original version. Did you notice the timings on the album page? Each part is 23min unlike the version we have. I suspect that the timings are wong and maybe the demo version is acually 46min and the album is 44min. That would explain all.


I actually thought that as well... not to mention vinyl magic is a reputable company... I couldn't see them putting out a demo copy... as the latest (2000) CD release of the album Confused


it would explain all LOL I do love a good mystery hahha

actually.... I know who to ask....  someone who has ..the original vinyl album.LOL I'll get back to you on this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:06
You know someone who has an original vinyl! Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:09
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

You know someone who has an original vinyl! Shocked


I think I do..... he's got a bunch hahhaha. Should have that one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:12

I will enjoy my CD while I wait. Along with Alphataurus S/T, which is my newest purchase. Approve

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:29
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

I will enjoy my CD while I wait. Along with Alphataurus S/T, which is my newest purchase. Approve

 


awesome Clap ...

but I am confused as HELL ... hahhah read this from GEPR.... we HAVE the version that has Largo Iniziale according to our liner notes...

looks like I am keeping this one...and getting another hahahha

The most intriguing aspect of Terra in Bocca is the fact that it exists in two distinct versions. The 1989 CD version by Vinyl Magic (VM 013) is taken from a demo mix that apparently even saw a cassette-only release before the actual LP came out. About two minutes shorter than the LP version, this version lacks a couple of sections (e.g. the instrumental overture "Largo iniziale") and has sparser arrangements, with less Mellotron and studio effects (e.g. none of the weird English rant on "Plim plim" or the whispering interlude on "Allegro per niente"). The lighter sound reveals the pop roots of many sections clearer, yet in a way is also more lyrical at places, with naked melodies shining more brightly without layers of roaring guitars or electronic treatments trying to prop them to quasi-Wagnerian heights. Some of the solos are different as well, as is the order in which the themes are presented, and there even seems to be a few verses and bits of music that are not present on the latter version. So while I prefer the Akarma version, this is not without value, as a curiosity if nothing else. Note that all other CD versions, including Vinyl Magic's identically-numbered 1993 edition, are based on the LP version, though unlike Akarma's version, they have no bonus track and do not subdivide the original LP sides into shorter tracks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:41
(groan) .. I was afraid of that. I wonder how one goes about finding the other version?
The description of the music sounds like we have the demo version music with the album version liner notes Confused.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 00:48
I wrote a long review of the album... I hope it could be useful for you...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 07:13
^ Yes, it was very useful, thanks! Only, my initial question remains. Are the differences between the 2 versions enough to justify seeking out a copy of the longer version? From the quote posted by Micky above, it seems like their would be many differences.
(more 'tron!) Where can I buy this other version and be sure that I'm not getting something that I already have?
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 13:33
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

^ Yes, it was very useful, thanks! Only, my initial question remains. Are the differences between the 2 versions enough to justify seeking out a copy of the longer version? From the quote posted by Micky above, it seems like their would be many differences.
(more 'tron!) Where can I buy this other version and be sure that I'm not getting something that I already have?
 
 
The second part is the same... There are some differences in the first part... The original one has richer arrangements and less recitative vocal parts... If you are not a completionist I think that the copy you own is enough... In an old thread I posted the full translation of the lyrics (I asked permission to btf to use it in the forum). If you need it I can post it again... 
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