I Giganti
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Topic: I Giganti
Posted By: Walker
Subject: I Giganti
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 20:56
I recently acquired the "Terra In Bocca" CD and enjoy it quite a bit. I also learned that the version I have is considered possibly a "demo" version and is not the original release  !! It's 44 min long not 46! What I want to know is, "Is there any significant difference in these 2 versions, either musically or sound quality-wise?" The one I have definitely sounds better than any demos from that era that I have heard. Should I be tracking down the longer version? Thanks!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:07
looking into that..... I LOVE that album... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Walker wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:09
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hey Walker.. post if you can the specs of the album you have (label... year of issue and all that)
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:09
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^ cool!, thanks!
Put out by Vinyl Magic 2000 Records
Cat #VM CD 013
year 2000
Prima Parte is 18:20
Seconda Parte is 25:48
Looks like it was sold by http://www.btf.it - www.btf.it originally
The disc itself is yellow and orange.
What else would you like to know?
EDIT: it also says "licensed by Peer-Southern Productions"
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:21
excellent... next question.... where did you get the info that there is a longer version out there.
sorry about the crappy cut and paste job there. Appears to be an exact reissue of the original Lp. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:31
| I got the info right here in the Archives... go to the album page and you will see. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:35
| Let me add, that based on everything I have seen and heard, the CD I have *should* be an exact replica of the original album, exzcept for the fact that its only 44 minutes long. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:35
sh*t.... serves me right for not reading our own site hahhaha.. looking now... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:44
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fascinating.... Recently "Terra in bocca" has been reissued by Akarma on vinyl, and this reissue also includes a song from their last single. You can find two different re-released versions on Vinyl Magic CD of Terra in bocca: the first one was released in 1989 and it is curiously different from the original LP (total length is 44:11 minutes), probably coming from a demo tape. This first reissue also includes a miniature reproduction of the original poster. A second version was released in 1993 (almost identical to the first in the CD cover, 46:44 minutes length, and probably taken from the original masters). This one doesn't include the mini-poster. checked my copy of it....I have the same as you. Rest assured we'll get to the bottom of this. If there is a better...and longer version... damnit... I want it hahhahah. Funny thing is... we have the latest CD version of it. so why would the 2000 version go back to version issued in 89 as opposed to the version in 93. Thanks Walker... bringing this to Andrea's attention and we'll see what he has to say. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:51
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I see where the info came from.....www.italianprog.com
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 21:53
| Thanks. It will be interesting to see what he has to say. If it was wasn't for the disc length, I'd be sure I had the original version. Did you notice the timings on the album page? Each part is 23min unlike the version we have. I suspect that the timings are wong and maybe the demo version is acually 46min and the album is 44min. That would explain all. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:03
I actually thought that as well... not to mention vinyl magic is a reputable company... I couldn't see them putting out a demo copy... as the latest (2000) CD release of the album  it would explain all  I do love a good mystery hahhaactually.... I know who to ask.... someone who has ..the original vinyl album. I'll get back to you on this.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:06
You know someone who has an original vinyl! 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:09
I think I do..... he's got a bunch hahhaha. Should have that one. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:12
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I will enjoy my CD while I wait. Along with Alphataurus S/T, which is my newest purchase. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:29
awesome  ...but I am confused as HELL ... hahhah read this from GEPR.... we HAVE the version that has Largo Iniziale according to our liner notes... looks like I am keeping this one...and getting another hahahha The most intriguing aspect of Terra in Bocca is the fact that it exists in two distinct versions. The 1989 CD version by Vinyl Magic (VM 013) is taken from a demo mix that apparently even saw a cassette-only release before the actual LP came out. About two minutes shorter than the LP version, this version lacks a couple of sections (e.g. the instrumental overture "Largo iniziale") and has sparser arrangements, with less http://www.gepr.net/proginst.html#MELLOTRON - Mellotron and studio effects (e.g. none of the weird English rant on "Plim plim" or the whispering interlude on "Allegro per niente"). The lighter sound reveals the pop roots of many sections clearer, yet in a way is also more lyrical at places, with naked melodies shining more brightly without layers of roaring guitars or electronic treatments trying to prop them to quasi-Wagnerian heights. Some of the solos are different as well, as is the order in which the themes are presented, and there even seems to be a few verses and bits of music that are not present on the latter version. So while I prefer the Akarma version, this is not without value, as a curiosity if nothing else. Note that all other CD versions, including Vinyl Magic's identically-numbered 1993 edition, are based on the LP version, though unlike Akarma's version, they have no bonus track and do not subdivide the original LP sides into shorter tracks. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 22:41
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(groan) .. I was afraid of that. I wonder how one goes about finding the other version?
The description of the music sounds like we have the demo version music with the album version liner notes
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Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 00:48
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I wrote a long review of the album... I hope it could be useful for you...
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89103 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89103
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 07:13
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^ Yes, it was very useful, thanks! Only, my initial question remains. Are the differences between the 2 versions enough to justify seeking out a copy of the longer version? From the quote posted by Micky above, it seems like their would be many differences.
(more 'tron!) Where can I buy this other version and be sure that I'm not getting something that I already have?
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Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 13:33
The second part is the same... There are some differences in the first part... The original one has richer arrangements and less recitative vocal parts... If you are not a completionist I think that the copy you own is enough... In an old thread I posted the full translation of the lyrics (I asked permission to btf to use it in the forum). If you need it I can post it again...
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 14:10
| No, no, that won't be necessary, but thanks. I am relieved to hear that the second part is the same. I would be interested in investigating the other version further, though. From what I gather it was released on Akarma? Do you know of a website selling the Akarma CD? BTF only has the version I already own. |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 14:35
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Well, it could be very difficult to find, anyway try this links... http://www.pickuprecords.it/ - http://www.pickuprecords.it/
http://www.btf.it/ - http://www.btf.it/
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 18:55
Thanks Andrea! Unfortunately neither one has it. I did find a listing at lpcdreissues.com however they did not have it in stock.
The Akarma CD has the work broken up into individual tracks and also has a bonus track at the end. I did find a used one for sale at Amazon.com, but the guy has it listed for $170 and I'm not paying that. Ebay did not have one. I'll keep you posted!
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http://www.lpcdreissues.com/catalogue/customerWishListAdd.php?idProduct=8655&redirecturl=customerWishListAdd.php?idProduct=8655 - Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 19:12
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rockrevulutionrecords.com has it in stock. the only problem is the site is in french and the translater in my web browser won't translate it for some reason. It will cost about $35 US, but I can't buy it because I can't register!
Oh well.... I'll just have to be satisfied for now with the one I have.
EDIT: OK, I wasn't satisfied for very long
 . I plowed through the registration page (in french) and got myself registered (I think). They took my credit card number, so I must have done something right. At the end end I got this message:Paiement realise avec succes
Merci de votre confiance
I am taking this to mean I completed the purchase!
 If this site terms out to be a scam I will be
 and  !Anyone out there have any experience with rockrevolutionrecords.com? I guess I should have asked this BEFORE giving them my card number!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2007 at 09:29
Never used them myself... but there is always a first time. I'll be visiting them today and ordering it as well. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |